It is definitely not "high quality".

 

It really is not, and this is coming from someone who totally agrees that the CGI of Cyberverse is cheap and shitty. But Cybertron, and Galaxy Force, are not high quality. The CGI meshes terribly with the cel-animation, and while not as pathetically primitive as Energon, is still woefully inferior to both Beast Wars (and Beast Machines) which came out nearly a decade earlier.

I understand what you mean about the quality of the character designs, though. Cybertron opted for a traditional mecha-style that took the toy designs and tweaked details and proportions to make for cooler and more dynamic designs. Cyberverse has a pretty pathetic art style that relies on a lot of basic shapes and geometry because it is simply easier to model and render. For as limited as Cybertron's animations were, something like Optimus' model in that show would've taken far more time, effort, and talent to create than the Optimus of Cyberverse. Simple things like the corners of the geometry having bevelling and minute curves is something simply not present on Cyberverse, which can have entire limbs comprised of literal, not figurative, polygons. Cyberverse dominates its characters with simple straight lines, geometry, and basic angles that lack subtlety and fine details beyond what can be easily shaped using the most basic tools of 3D modelling programs. In that regard Cybertron is at least superior. (they also feature lighting and textures that, while not exactly groundbreaking, or more complicated than the flat textures and rendering of Cyberverse) As subjective as this statement may be, Cybertron's characters aren't as ugly and flat as Cyberverse, despite not being as expressive and fluid as Cyberverse' animation.

I do also somewhat agree with you comment about ambition. While I won't concede that Cybertron is high-quality, it did at least have a sense of scale and "epicness" typical of anime and higher quality shows, and in the context of the show it did that fairly competently. Foibles and pitfalls of dubbing aside, Cybertron did at least shoot for a less "talking down" approach to its story Cyberverse does not. Cyberverse's writing and voice direction constantly exude the feeling of adults talking down to children, with a patronizing and insincere tone and delivery from nearly every character. In fact Cyberverse almost feels like a bad anime dub itself, which to me almost makes it worse since it is written with the sensibilities and native language of its intended Western audience. (a lot of anime can feel patronizing just from the difficulties in translation and dubbing, even if it is not the intention of the original, as is the case with many early anime dubs) Cyberverse is such a hard show for me to watch not just because it is ugly and unpleasant to look at, but because I genuinely feel like I'm watching a show for a very young audience. I didn't, and still don't, feel that way about Beast Wars or TFA, nor even Prime for that matter. People even cite the deaths and more "mature" concepts of Cyberverse as evidence that it's not targeting such a low common denominator, but if you actually watch these scenes it feels so tonally disjointed and ill-fitting you wonder why such things exist in it.

All of this is to say I do understand what you're saying to an extent: Cyberverse doesn't feel like it's aimed at the same age demographic of previous Transformers shows, and thus feels more exclusive to younger audiences than previous iterations. Obviously adults are not the target audience for any of these shows, but BW, BM, TFA, Prime, and even the UT to an extent feel as though they are capable of reaching a broader demographic and being appreciated by older audiences even if they're not the intended audiences. Cyberverse does not.

 

Are people honestly comparing Cybertron and Cyberverse???

People these days have such pathetic standards for media aimed at children, it could be a half hour of mindless garbage and these same people would go "iT's FoR kIdS sO iT's OkAy!!1"

Cybertron isn't even that good overall but compared to CYBERVERSE? Not even close.

These days having any expectations or standards in regards to the media you choose to consume you get a ton of people arguing to justify why it's okay for a show or movie or game to suck instead of being NOT shit. I knew the moment this thread became a thing this was inevitably going to become the topic.    

Just consume product and get excited for next product.

 

Avatar: The Last Airbender (2005 — 2008).

 

Gravity Falls was the darling of Disney Animation when it was on TV, it was so popular and successful that Disney let the creator do what he felt was best, including letting the gay couple be confirmed gay, and letting the show end on his terms, despite the potential of making even more money by letting it continue for longer. It's animation quality and writing surpasses basically everything we have in Transformers. And I say that as a huge fan of G1, Beast Wars, Animated and Prime.
Gumball is a phenomon that's been going for a long time, never watched it because it doesn't appeal to me enough to check it out, but from the little I've seen and read about it, it'S a well made show with fantastic creators.
The same goes for Regular show.
Then there is Adventure Time, which although being a goofy show aimed at kids, features stories that make adults feel stupid, and content that makes you question what should be allowed in children's media.

The majority of G1 was goofy, and not in the consistent on purpose way. Yes, it featured stuff that was pretty dark for the time, but the majority of it wasn't great.

Even if Jar-Jar was a brilliant character on par with original Homer Simpson, would have made Episode 1 a good movie.

Beast Machines failed at the time, because of the tonal whiplash and failure to stay true to the characters. It took years for people to appreciate it for what it was. And even then the failure to stick to the original tone and characters and make it consistent is brought up.

What? Cybertron was bad. It's nowhere near good quality anime. The models looked good, but they weren't animated very well. The story was goofy and hinged on stupid concepts like "stealth paint". The fact that the show tried to sell this with a straight face and overdramatization just made it even more jarring.

Animated was also a goofy action comedy show, it was so far removed from what the TF fandom wanted at the time, that the creators stated in the interviews leading up to it, before the designs were revealed that they wanted TF fans to stay far away from it, because it's not made for us and we would hate it.
And that show garnered incredibly huge hate when it was originally shown off, the only reason it wasn't a failure was because of how well the creators managed to craft it and make the serious content mesh with the goofy content.
For all we know, this show is going to be the same.

 

This debate is not a winnable one. The way we remember things and how those things are formative to us is going to create highly subjective perspectives.

However, that doesn’t change some of the facts:

Transformers shows have been, and continue to be, made as action comedies. Not all of them, not every episode, but most because that’s how kids/YA shows are. It makes them more palatable to parents and reaches a larger audience.

Additionally, the presence of humor doesn’t ruin the other aspects of good stories; bad writing and many elements of execution can. The Transformers: The Movie is a violent, sci-fi, action comedy, music video, film, advertisement and it works well enough to be considered a cult classic by many.

Lastly, the “quality” of a show is also difficult to grade because of so many factors. For example, I just watched the 2012 ninja turtles show with my son and was very impressed by most of it but it suffers from a lack of characters and open spaces often feel empty and soul-less like so many CG shows. In contrast, Robots in Disguise took me awhile to get used to but now I find the show’s animation style appealing and the action comedy writing is fun and effective.

 

I'm excited! If it's designs like Transformers Animated and it's got the over the top 2D animation of Rise of the TMNT it might be my new favorite! I hope they give us some new characters other than Optimus, Megatron, etc but I think that's a lot to hope for.

 

I would like to see some promo art or at least have the name of the series before I have a meltdown about a show that isn't out yet.

 

You're objectively wrong. Cybertron is a great show.
Some of you are struggling to understand the difference between a show that takes itself seriously with comedic moments and an outright comedy aimed at very young children. None of the UT shows are close to 'goofy' actually they all have serious plots and take themselves seriously for the most part. Cybertron would be the most serious out of all of them. Just saying a thing doesn't make it true.

I'll help you out the goofy shows before Prime were some late Japanese G1/ BW shows, and RID(2001) that's it.

I don't see what point you're trying to make with Animated? Animated was a success because it was a good show that took itself seriously when it needed to just like most the shows in the past did. That's it. I don't really care what people thought about the animation.

I can't share your hope this will be as good as Animated since you can clearly tell from the synopsis this is meant to be a casual goofy slice of life show with loose ongoing plot. Not sure how that leaves room for it to be as good as Animated or any of the pre-RID2015 shows. It could be a good comedy for very young children but it won't have the same writing quality as those shows as they are aimed at a border audience.
It's not really a point to be contested that the current product RID(2015) and Cyberverse has been aimed younger than in the past and nothing suggests this is changing. They seem to want to push Seige as the stuff that is for older kids and adults, unfortunately it's complete crap and a million miles off the older shows.

 

Sorry, but Cybertron is not a good show. The Unicron Trilogy took itself seriously, yes, but it had incredibly stupid and goofy moments, scenes as well as plots. It could not balance the "comdic" with serious content, coming off as goofy. Sure, it might not have been meant to be goofy, but it was just cringy. The UT had the exact same tone as RID, so I don't get how you can claim that that was goofy, but the UT wasn't.
Just claiming that it's a good show, doesn't make it true.

The point I'm making is that Animated was a well written and animated show. It balanced it's goofy content with it's serious content, it knew how to execute both without it coming across as jarring or disengeneous.

What hope that it will be as good as Animated?

We literally have nothing but a brief plot synopsis, nothing to actually go on. I simply pointed out, that we hated on Animated for the same brief synopsis and it took us actually experiencing that show for us to get it. I'm simply saying, we can't and shouldn't claim it sucks, or claim that something else is of a higher quality, when all we have to go on is a short synopsis, that might not even be reflective of the actual show.
Remember TFPrime? Remember how it's original marketing made it sound like Digimon with the kids magically combining with their Autobot partners?

I mean seriously, lets just wait and see a clip before we claim that the goddamn Unicron Trilogy of all things had better quality animation and writing than this show that doesn't even exist yet.

 

I hope it’s on Cybertron with interresting backgrounds that make you wonder what’s back there.

Scenes from Spongebob & the og Metroid title screen still has those effects on me.

 

Never really said the cartoons of my childhood were the best. I frankly rate Animated and even RID or Cyberverse over G1, and I never cared that much for BW-BM. And I think the 2003-2012 TMNT were far better than the 1987 show. Heck, most of my favorite shows are not from my childhood. Sew a button on that! Throws your "we only like what we grew up with" theory right out the window.  
As for 50 Shades, what the hell do I know what YA books are like today? It has been ages since I read one. Twilight had sex scenes and it was YA...

Assemble was like a slap in the face... But sadly even EMH's last season's second half was a rushed mess. The Skrull invasion carefully built up for most of the season came down to one big fight against the queen, and it was over. Y'd think they would have built on things like make the impostor Captain America a recurring character, or the surprising alliance and even friendship between the real Captain America and Viper as they escaped from Skrull captivity, but nope, she just goes back to being a card-carrying villain. The Kree are then resolved in one episode too, as is Ultron and Surtur, and then Galactus gets thrown in for a disappointing final villain without any buildup. I read up on it and we have the showrunner of Marvel shows, and creator of the Sam Alexander Nova, Jeph Loeb to "thank" for this. He basically had the opinion kids cannot handle complex storylines and grey morality, they need to be talked down to. And here again, I have to remember that the reason many of us are fans of Transformers is that Simon Furman thought the exact opposite when he wrote for Marvel TF comics - he said in interviews that kids can understand and handle complex stories, and appreciate if they are not talked down to.

"And by the way, if some giant talking planet offers you a deal in the next 20 years, ask for a new body and troops to command! ... just some friendly advice."

Really? I heard otherwise, back in the day when they posted interviews with the creators. They said CN did not like the show and pushed it to a later timeslot. If you recall Season 3 even aired all in one go on some asian CN channel way before it aired in the west.

Beast Wars II is mostly comedy, but it still works because there is still a war going on between Maximals and Predacons, and there are battles over the anglomois energy... It's just more played for laughs. If they did it like that or like Rise of the TMNT it could work. But I would not like it to be like Thundercats Roar where we had episodes of Tigra staying over at Mumm-Ra's lair to give it a makeover or TTG where they even make a point of NOT fighting villains ever.

That's not the problem. We always had goofy comedy shows, even back in the 80ies. Most of Hanna Barbera was that (Scooby Doo, Tom and Jerry, etc), Inspector Gadget was that, and yet I liked those too. But Transformers, GI Joe, MOTU, Thundercats were not that. They were action adventure toons. They had comedic elements sometimes but at their core they were about adventure and fights and cool action scenes.
The issue today is that these studios are taking shows that until now, have always been action oriented, and turning them into pure comedy. That's what we take issue with. Nobody minded when a new Inspector Gadget CGI show came out and it was still comedic with an inept Gadget who cannot get anything done without Penny and Brain helping him out - because the old show was about that too.

It won't be, that much we know from the description that it'll be about a human family adopting some third faction of TFs (Minicons maybe?), so it is most likely set on Earth.
We know little else, not even if it will be CGI, cel shaded half-CGI, or 2D... Given it is from the Rise of the TMNT writers I feel it might be the latter since they would probably prefer that style, but who knows.

 

Has a promising premise, hope it turns out to be something enjoyable. If it's on the level of Rise of the TMNT I'll probably dig it.

 

Good voice acting and writing is a priority for me. The tone doesn't matter; as I've learned from equally disliking Cyberverse and the Roosterteeth show, how something is executed is far more important than what is trying to be executed.

 

At least it can't be worse than siege *shrug*

 

It can be. The Prime Wars Trilogy already exists.

 

Oh, wow.

 

While I want it to be good, generally I don't wish for things to suck, I can't wait to be called a negative asshole who is never satisfied or has unreasonably high expectations when it inevitably comes out and isn't very good because it's not like Nick are known for their amazing quality these days.

 

Especially with their previous (at least to my awareness) tendency to cancel nearly anything that doesn't make Spongebob numbers on the network.

 

Not my pic.