Discussion in 'Transformers News and Rumors' started by hardlurk, Apr 7, 2017.
Honestly, Revolution was not that bad, outside of it culminating in a dumb video game boss fight. And the Transformers titles were wrapping up their "seasonal" arcs when it occurred, so it didn't really derail their stories. And Revolutionaries is excellent (a big plus is that it doesn't have to derail another book's plot to tell its story).
I don't want every series in the Hasbroverse to pause its own storyline to focus on another crossover. If Insurgency can be told without derailing individual books' storylines to tell its tale, I will enjoy it.
i think this is fitting after Revolution and Revolutionaries...
I ended up buying the whole Revolution crossover months later on sale, and it was, frankly, hot garbage. This is personal opinion, but it seems like every major crossover that's happened since Dark Cybertron has gotten progressively more terrible (and Dark Cybertron wasn't particularly great with the exception of more or less sticking the landing. Which, upon thinking about it, is basically the opposite of most major comic book company crossover events).
Revolution has basically, in a single move, killed my interest in the IDW Transformers line, which is a terrible shame, because there was some great stuff going on. Heck, I read the first few issues of Lost Light and Optimus Prime, and I felt like the enjoyment I had from picking up their predecessors for a few years consistently now had just disappeared. And it wasn't even because of the quality of the new books. I just felt like, what's the point? It's all gonna just come to a screeching halt for another crap crossover where humans are all like "grrr those robots" and Starscream does the usual Starscream stuff, and there's some kind of magical McGuffin (which coincidentally just happened to land on Earth or be related to humanity! Or, to be even more contrived, its related to some OTHER obscure Hasbro property, because fucking Micronauts can't actually sustain itself without being directly tied into the Transformers now).
Did the TF vs. GIJoe hardcover come out yet? Cause I wanted to check that out once it was released. I like the idea of crossovers in completely unrelated communities, and can appreciate the art and tone more than others. Otherwise, Imma stick with Power Rangers for my licensed comics right now.
I think this is the most widely held view of the in-continuity IDW TF crossovers so far. Chaos wasn't horrible as a one-series event. Then Dark Cybertron began the downward slide into awfulness.
Really? Cause I feel like most people agreed that Titans Return was better than Combiner Wars, and outside of this forum I've seen plenty of folks who HAVE enjoyed Revolution.
I think people liked Titans Return better because it was shorter. only 2 issues of each book were devoted to it instead of 6.
I enjoyed Combiner wars, when Livio Ramondelli wasn't drawing it.
Revolution was admittedly more fun than I thought it would be, but also I regret spending $20 on the 5 issues when I initially planned to skip it anyway, cos once I read the 3 TF books following the end of it, they didnt seem to really reference it at all and so I wouldn\'t have lost anything by not reading it. sure, GI Joe is now part of the Optimus Prime book and they acknowledge the Ore-13 deposits, but both of those would\'ve been there anyway (and that book was already too human heavy so it made little difference), but TAAO and Lost Light are basically the same. so I think from now on I will follow my first impression and just skip it, I need to save the money anyway. wish Hasbro would stop trying to make fetch happen.
I believe that Titans Return is legitimately good, with no qualifiers given to length. It felt like a natural, interesting part of the story in the books it featured in that fit in quite well thematically. It didn't feel like an excuse to plug plot holes or hanging plot threads like Dark Cybertron did, and it didn't feel like it only existed to promote the current toys like Combiner Wars did.
Is IDW trying to sabotage themselves? First the TR "Event" that sent all of the stories off the rails, then the dumbass Revolution event that absolutely made no sense, then they took Milne off The Lost Light and put him onto fucking ROM and now another event? Goddamn guys, you ever hear of sticking with what works? This is exactly what's ruining Marvel comics right now, writers and artists need a status quo so a good story can be told, constant "events" and re-branding just confuse the hell out of readers. Please stop, IDW.
At the end of the day, I am not an 80s child. I'm a 90s kid who got into Transformers. I don't really give two shits about all the dead 80s properties Hasbro is trying to capitalize on by merging them with their most successful property. GIJoe, even though I'm pretty unfamiliar on the whole, gets a bit of a pass because of the history of crossovers between them, but everyone was just written so poorly. If Revolution was supposed to be a sales pitch for these other Hasbro properties, then it was a complete failure for anyone without nostalgia for them.
^^This. The crossovers constantly cutting into the books I'm buying (half the time the character pulled into the crossover has no real in-story reason for being there and really is there just to boost that title's sales) just killed the Big Two for me outside of a solo title here, solo title there. Waid and Samnee on Daredevil for instance or their current work on Black Widow. And something like Transformers, I specifically read to read about the Transformers. Having them in a shared universe where properties I don't care for show up like uninvited guests is going to annoy the heck out of me.
As it is, it's really starting to annoy me that the TFs own crossovers keep interrupting MtMtE/LL. First it was Dark Cybertron, then COmbiner Wars.
Titans Return was better than getting your foot run over by a tow truck. That's about as much as I'm willing to give it. Combiner Wars was not good, but who thought Titans Return was better?! It was NOTHING. A huge waste of time that accomplished nothing and completely wasted the awesome concepts behind what is, imo, one of the greatest TF toylines in the past 17 years. For any misgivings I or others may have with elements in Combiner Wars, Titans Return made it look like Watchmen. Roberts clearly had no interest in doing it and seemed to be going out of his way to punish his employers (and by extension, the reading public) for forcing him to do it. I feel like a gundang IDIOT for wasting my money on those issues.
No offense, but what do I care what people outside of this forum think about Revolution? I'm coming at this from the perspective of a TF and Joe fan. I could not give one fraction of one crap less how Revolution plays to a non-TF fan. How is that going to help my lack of enjoyment any?
I know you love all of these books unconditionally and keep shilling them to anyone who will listen at every opportunity as if you work in IDW's PR department, but not all of us are as onboard as you are. I'll accept that not everyone is going to hate them as much as I have, but come on.
Titan's Return was totally anti-climatic and Sentinel Prime was like "Hi... bye". Where is he now anyway?
I didn't even like the amount of human involvement in the Transformers RID book. What I liked was Hunter O'Nyon, Verity and that other guy. But thanks to that one guy who later wrote some .. wait, that was McCarthy, wasn't it? Thanks to him Hunter O'Nyon is now dead. What happened to Scorponok?
He's waiting for his new toy.
Except I'm not talking about non-TF fans, I'm talking about TF-fans who do like the shared universe. This may shock you, but TFW is not the only place Transformers fandom congregates. I've talked with plenty of fans on other forums, Tumblr, Twitter, my LCS, etc., who like the Hasbro Universe just fine. But if non-TF fans do like Revolution? Boom! Now we have another person who will check out the Transformers comics and become a fan.
And yes, I do love this universe. Not all the books of course (M.A.S.K. is an atrocious waste of paper and ink). Maybe its because I come from being both a TF fan and a long time ROM fan, but I went into this with positive expectations, despite not caring at all about Action Man or G.I. Joe. Now, those are some of my favorite books. Was Revolution some groundbreaking piece of comic book work that is going to change the industry? Of course not, but it was a fun book. I can understand a Transformers fan not caring about the other properties, and that's perfectly fine. I understand that not everyone is gonna love Rom the Space Knight as much as I do. But what I do not understand is the hatred and vitrol that the simple idea of a shared universe has seemed to elicit in a lot of folks, simply on the basis of "ermahgerd, things that aren't robits." I am of the opinion that fandom is about celebrating the media we love, and sharing that love with others to create an even bigger fandom.
Yeah, I know plenty of Transformers fans who really enjoy the shared universe, many of whom (including me!) were very sceptical of it when it was first announced.
I mean, speaking for myself, I was super worried back when we got the original announcement, but here we are 10 months later, and Revolutionaries is pretty much my favourite Transformers series IDW has ever put out.
I think it's been pushed back to november, a way to include the movie one shot in it (which is a good move, to be honest).
Get it as soon as it is available, for it is -im my opinion- one of the very finest moments this franchise has had. I'll even get that hardcover, despite having the sigles issues and the trades already.
As for the shared universes and stuff, I don't mind the idea, all I want is great stories, nice comic books. Hélas, I've read Revolution this weekend and quite frankly, that wasn't the case at all. To me. So, there's that. It doesn't mean good stuffs are not possible (editorial staff has to be a strong one on that part aaaand... Well. Let's see), I even quite enjoyed some Revolution ties in and the main event is after all one of those main events we all know about, so joke's on me I guess. Pretty much Herogasm-y in the end.
For me, besides the book I'm actually reading being interrupted, the issue is making sense for the properties involved. I think if they'd announced that M.A.S.K. was crossing over into GiJoe, that would be fine because it's roughly the same ballpark. Adding Transformers to that I guess could work since I'm assuming that the new origin of the MASK tech will be TF-based (if it's not, then shame on IDW because that would be sweet). But when you start adding too many properties, you start to get this weird downplaying of people's abilities. Like, I don't want to see Megatron suddenly not being a badass or weaker just so that the MASK crew or Joes can take him down.
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