New video - Rethink the Past

Discussion in 'Transformers Movie Discussion' started by Zemah, Apr 6, 2017.

  1. Chopperface

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    Maybe they just used renders of Hound, Starscream and Bumblebee just for the sake of using familiar faces?
     
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    I think that's the case. They probably have planned the involvment of some characters in humans history and they will appear at the later date, but I doubt that they have designes of those characters at present. That's why we have in those photos characters that have already appeared or perhaps are appearing in TLK. Although, I hope that some of them are legit! :D 
     
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    Yeah I think they're just trying to give us an idea of what they're going for in TLK when it comes to the history of TFs being part of human history for a long time. So I don't think we should take it too literal.
     
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    You have right. Moreover, if you watch carefully, they used concept arts from the previous movies.
     
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    I personally believe all of the bots seen with the obvious exception of Bee and possible exception of Starscream and Bulldog/WW1 tank-bot are put in there for publicity's sake just to give people an idea of the story's intention of the TFs involvement in human history.
     
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    Moreover, because these photos are part of newspapers and they used old concept arts for both Bee and Hound (used for a poster).
    It is seems an exaggeration, if the Transformers are a mystery for humanity.
     
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    I think I figured out who the Transformer is in the last frame... It's Blackout. The head totally matches and the hands look sinister, and he has the U.S. Air Force symbol on him just like Blackout.
     
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    I might be reaching, but what if in the Transformers Cinimatic Universe instead of Drift being inspired by Samurai Armor is inspired by Drift. If the part about Drift being on Earth in whichever era of Japan that is.
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    That'd actually make alot of sense
     
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    You are correct Dark was the issue unfortunately there was a reason Dark didn't mention Revenge, the backlash by people resulted in a deliberate choice to distance themselves from it. Obviously this was a flawed decision on the movies part but that's why Megatron didn't detail how his plans connected more, they deliberately distant themselves from ROTF. It can still work if but it does require quite a bit of effort on our part. With Age the counteractions were meant to be confusing, were meant to make us go wait a minute I thought the Allspark created them, how does this work? It was meant to raise questions the fifth would answer.

    The movie continuity on a whole works mostly fine the only problem is Megatron's plan with Sentinel which requires quite bit of effort to make sense of, this was a mistake on the writers and directors part, just because an installment had backlash doesn't mean you distant the franchise from it continuity wise.
     
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    I still think it could be jetfire as a Lockheed P-38 lightening!
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    The cockpit looks similar, Star on the wing, and if you're saying he looked sinister... remember he was a Decepticon before he switched in ROTF.
     
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    there is mention of revenge in DOTM, Like Wang mentions Sam being in egypt and an painting of Simmons next to a pyramid, not to forget Megs having his scarred face after Optimus blew it up in ROTF
     
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    It could definitely be a P38, but I doubt its Jetfire. Its far too small.
     
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    And of course Optimus having the Matrix is also a thing from ROTF.
     
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    So AOE was nothing but setup?
     
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    The Plan in Revenge was more The Fallen's plan than Megatron.
     
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    Actually no, the story of Age is cemetery wind hunting the Autobots to harvest their raw materials to build their own transformers not realising they are secretly being manipulated by Megatron. This arc is self contained yes they are continuing the human vs transformer conflict but going by the end of Age this wasn't a certainty. Attinger and cemetery wind were defeated by the end. The story involving KSI building their transformers is resolved when Galvatron rebels and brings them under his control, the conflict with the man made drones resolved with the big Hong Kong battle when the Autobots face them and defeat them. The main arc of AOE is resolved.

    The Creators are set up but they relate to the story of this movie. The point of Age is ones arrogance leading to self destruction, which is the whole point of KSI, their hubris led them to believe they were in control and this arrogance would've led to their self destruction. KSI were the creators while Galvatron was the transformers rebelling against them. The dinosaur extinction was foreshadowing Galvatron's plan to recreate the same event. Age of Extinction had a self contained story that was resolved, optimus's arc was resolved. It had set up but that set up also directly related to the plot of this movie. So while at first glance it may seem like that Age of Extinction was not just set up.
     
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    Also Sideswipe and Soundwave were introduced in Revenge so they didn't come out of nowhere.

    Edit: Also Wheelie. Sentinel Prime's Space Expedition might have set up some of the events in Three. Or just a random easter egg.
     
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    The main problem is that Erhen Kruger built the stories of both Transformers: Dark of the Moon and Transformers: Age of Extinction, putting elements from the previous movies only at the beginning of the plots.
    Yes, in DOTM we have mentions about the events of ROFT, the Matrix, Megatron's wounds, the Hatchlings, Scalpel's clones, and in AOE the Battle of Chicago is the source of Cementery Wind, Brains returns, the heads of Megatron, Sentinel and the Decepticons are used to build Galvatron and the other prototypes, Leadfoot is shown killed by Cementery Wind and there is a mention regarding NEST.

    BUT, in DOTM: Mudflap, Skids, Jolt, Arcee, Chromia and Elita-One have disappeared (the comic prequel "Rising Storm" isn't so helpful).
    There are contradictions regarding Megatron and Sentinel plan, moreover, Leo isn't even mentioned, as the AllSpark, also the Nemesis isn't mentioned or shown.
    The Dinasty of the Primes isn't took in consideration (when, technically, Sentinel Prime's return should be very important, since he is another descendant) and The Fallen's words are contradicted:

    "Only a Prime can defeat me, and now, only one remains", and "The last Prime is dead". If Sentinel was found death, well, everything would have worked well, but he was in a kind of "sleep mode"

    and, sincerly, the Matrix should have a more important meaning.....

    AND, in AOE: we don't know nothing regarding Dino, Roadbuster and Topsin. Sam, Carly, Lennox, Epps, Simmons or even the Director Charlotte Mearing aren't mentioned, as the AllSpark, and the Matrix of Leadership is ignored. When the Autobots talk about Megatron's return, it seems as they know regarding the Creators, their history, and this contradiction is turn contradicted during the movie, because, when Lockdown captures Prime, he says to him

    "You think you are born? No, you were built, and your Creators want you back"

    and when Optimus decides to leave Earth

    "This Seed belongs to our Creators, who ever they are"

    and in his message

    "There are mysteries to the Universe we are never meant to solve, but who we are, and why we are here, are not of them"

    Moreover, Optimus seems to remember his past as a Knight, but, technically, if he is Knight and remembers his past, how he is a Prime and has never mentioned about that fact?
    When he holds his sword, he says

    "Recognize one of your Knights"

    as he changed in Optimus Prime, so he needs to be recognized as his old self, as a creation of the Creators, and Lockdown's words return

    "You think you are born? No......"

    also because he says

    "They built you, to do what you were told"

    as if Optimus didn't remember who he was once.

    There are connections, but not proper developments to build a substantial continuity.
     
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    The issue with "only a Prime can kill me" statement by The Fallen, can easily be explained. And that is The Fallen meant only a Prime in meaning, one of the first 13. All other Primes after that were only Primes by title and not true Primes. It's probably going to be revealed that OP while a knight and a Prime, his current body was built but his Spark is that of the 13th Prime who was one of the 13 first created. This is my opinion on what will happen.
     
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