Discussion in 'Transformers News and Rumors' started by Music, May 1, 2020.
Last thing we need is "Hoot Rood" becoming "Roodimus Preem"
I don't know how many times this must be repeated:
Bumblebee is not in the same continuity of the Bay films, and TF6 is not happening!
People aren't gonna go see these films if its part of the Bay films. Making TF6 would be financial suicide.
Actually, it IS in the same as the Bay films. Just because the continuity doesn't fit perfectly doesn't mean it's not
part of the world. In the Bumblebee films, no robot is surprised by Earth's life forms. It's a known commodity to them.
Even Dropkick comments that the humans have multiplied. That means they have previous knowledge of earth. That matches
up with TLK's history lessons.
Bumblebee can also be a new continuity as well, similar to the Star Trek reboot. It caps the original 10 films' storylines, and starts a new
angle for stories. Bumblebee 2 could give the Geenwun fans something to be excited about, introduce a McGuffin that directly ties into TF6. TF6 would be anything but financial suicide. If they had a commercial featuring a full sized Unicron, even the most bitter anti-Bay fanboys
would be soaking their trousers with anticipation. It would do good box office numbers, especially if they use the Bumblebee aesthetic. They can do the change easily
since each Transformers movie changes the look of the characters.
Beastwars, I don't see many people watching. A lot of geewuners hate it, casual movie goers won't understand why a robotic monkey is fighting a purple dinosaur. For them, Transformers would have jumped the shark. Also, Beastwars fits better with a direct to home video animated movie. Hollywood needs a "human element" to live action movies, otherwise it's a very expensive CGI film. Look how they handled Sonic the Hedgehog.
I think Hasbro is just doing lip service to excite the fans. I'll be VERY surprised if Hasbro follows through with the Beastwars film.
Hasbro and Paramount confirmed a while back that Bumblebee will be the start of the reboot universe should it do enough money at the box office. Since it did then that means it's the start of the rebooted universe. Besides it's not like they can't just use some of the previous movieverse things established in Bee and build them into something different.
OH NONONONONO WE GOT TOO COCKY
They've also contradicted themselves repeatedly. It all should be taken with a grain of salt until we see a trailer.
Anyone one else wanna take this one? AutobotBurnout, maybe? Anyone? I can't even.
At first they were beating around the bush, and then they confirmed for sure it's a reboot and they've been consistent since then.
And yet Optimus Prime right before sending B-127 on his way flat out states that nobody from Cybertron has ever been to Earth which is why he wants B-127 to set up a base there. Bumblebee's entire mission makes no sense if the Decepticons already know about the planet.
For all you know, he could have commented on the fact humans are the dominant species on the planet and compared to cybertronians, we reproduce like rabbits.
Additionally, in the context of that very remark, I believe its when they encounter the S7 group and the Decepticons scan their air modes? He could have been commenting on the fact that, until that point, they encountered a grand total of TWO humans, and now there are a couple dozen. Thus, logically, the humans have multiplied.
Here's a crazy idea - how about no Mcguffin? Enough bullshit about needing crap on Earth to keep justifying the Transformers being around, nobody signed up for Ancient Aliens: The Movie. You want a McGuffin? Fine, it's the Earth - no, not Unicron and all that nonsense, but as the only place the Autobots could think of that was even remotely safe for them to regroup after the Decepticons took Cybertron. Keep Earth otherwise completely uninvolved in needing some asinine alt. history to make the robots seem interesting - after all, they are transforming space robots. Needing mcguffins to make them interesting is a failure of narrative on the very premise of the franchise.
An impressively wrong stance given, y'know, Beast Wars is literally G1. I'm guessing you never watched up to the point where it's revealed why BW Megatron time traveled in the first place.
Oh, like casual movie goers understood why Bumblebee was fighting a giant panther robot in the middle of Egypt or whatever in ROTF?
But a giant monkey fighting a T-Rex? Come on now, that's bread-and-butter King Kong type stuff. Or even Rampage!.
You literally just torpedoed the argument for more bayverse by comparing it to Sonic the Hedgehog - since that film straight up redesigned the terrible Sonic look into a completely faithful Sonic and the film went on to be the highest grossing video game franchise based film in history. That, and Sonic's primary archenemy has always been a (honestly kind of freakishly deformed) human in the form of Doctor Eggman/Robotnik, so humans being around in key roles is natural.
And expenses? I'm sorry, how much do you think they shelled out for Anthony Hopkins just to play an old guy in TLK? An animated CGI film with today's technology at maybe a 90 minute runtime would be excellent if written well. Quality over quantity.
I actually do agree with the notion of the Beast Wars film ultimately not coming to pass, but only because the narrative in the bigger picture requires at the very least understanding that G1 itself happened, given the whole plot of the first two seasons amounts to being a very elaborate assassination plot on Optimus Prime to end the Cybertronian Civil War before it starts again on Earth in 1984. Otherwise, BW Megatron has no reason to ever time travel in the first place and start the whole mess, and I honestly don't trust Paramount to come up with something equally as good.
Sorry, I don't find you evil or devilishly clever. Dorky maybe, but whatever.
Sorry, Pilgrim. Prime DIDN'T say that... " I found a planet that’s well hidden. Earth. You will travel there and establish a base for us. Once we’ve gathered the others, we’ll join you. You must protect the planet. If the Decepticons find it, then our people are truly finished." Nowhere does he say no Cybertronians have been there before. He just says it's well hidden, which would explain why so many Transformers used it in the past as a hiding place. Maybe Earth is their "Room of Requirement"
Ooooooor…. as I said, they've been there before, and after WWII, the population skyrocketed, and now, no matter where the decepticons went, humans seemed to be everywhere. So it STILL fits within the bayverse canon.
Except it's part of the franchise. All the transformers fictions have heavily involved the robot factions chasing after something trying to keep it out of the other's hands. It's as core to the franchise story as cybertron and human kid co-stars.
It literally ISN'T anymore than IDW is, or the Starwars Prequels are part of the "Original Starwars". G1 is the fiction between 1984 and 1987 (and some of the Japanese cartoons if you are being generous). No matter how many times George Lucas and Disney re-edit the Han/Greedo scene, historical fact is Han shot first. No matter what Beastwars crap was added in the 90's, the fact is it was added after G1, and it's not remotely as popular as other versions of Transformers.
Casual movie fans won't understand, because most will probably pass on Beast Wars. A lot of people enjoyed the robot battles and the car chases. You want to watch animals fight, PBS offers it free.
We agree that Beastwars could work as a pure CGI film, but unless they dumb it down to trolls, they'll have to make it appeal to mass markets, which means added humans and bringing Beast Wars into a modern earth scenario. The fanboys will piss themselves.
I don't see it happening from a corporate standpoint. Beastwars is very polarizing among the fanbase. Most who grew up with the original cartoons (and now have more money to spend) aren't fans of it, generally. Those who grew up with Beast wars have kids and are busy raising their families, and many of them grew up with G1 as well, thanks to older siblings. G1 is the natural franchise to milk for as long as possible, especially as the original cast is getting older. Hasbro needs the movies to do billions in sales, including toys and merch. Beastwars I cannot see bringing in billions. Definitely not with toys, as previous attempts to sell BW stuff typically languishes on shelves until it's chucked on clearance. Even MP Primal stuck around for months before getting dumped on clearance.
But hey, you keep on being a hopeless romantic and cheer on BeastWars. I will continue thinking it's one of the worst series in Transformers history, and we'll just agree to disagree. At least maybe we can agree that at least Hasbro not making Transformers: Kiss Players a movie is a good thing.
Does the BW movie really need to stick THAT close to the original TV series in every sense of the word though? I mean the Bumblebee movie despite being very G1 obviously didn't stick extremely close to the original sunbow show and the Sonic movie didn't stick to the games that much other then nailing down the important aspects. If anything they prove that as long as you retain the most important aspects of the source material you can make whatever changes needed to make it work so if they need to cut out the time travel thing for the BW movie to make it work then go for it. Other TF media shown it's possible to do BW stories and characters without resorting to the time travel jig or at least not as much.
In the end there's going to be a moment where Hasbro's going to have to expand Transformers beyond just G1 and even if it takes a while it's good that it's considering doing a BW movie since it'll keep the brand fresh.
I guess its because thats been the only story of Beast Wars in the mainstream media. The Autobots and Decepticons have had the benefit of having had their story told and reinterpreted many times through out the last few decades, but the Maximals and Preds haven't really had that luxury.
Not saying it's not possible, it's just odd I guess.
Okay, let's assume that, somehow, TLK is in continuity with Bumlbebee.
How, then, did Bumblebee end up on Earth during WWII mute, then leave the planet, then return in the same exact escape pod he left Cybertron in fully capable of speech? Given, y'know, such a big deal was made about him not being able to speak in literally every single film until TLK straight up forgot that part in order to pull a 'Martha' moment on Optimus Prime
It's entirely based on one line which you are repeatedly taking out of context.
Rescue Bots begs to differ.
What? I said Beast Wars is G1, because without G1, the plot can't happen. You can remove all of Beast Wars and not impact G1 because it all happens billions of years before G1 actually goes down in 1984, but you can't remove G1 from Beast Wars.
And right there you demonstrate you have no idea why people like Beast Wars.
And where's the proof of this? It's been nearly thirty years since "Trukk not Munky". Beast Machines sure, but Beast Wars is generally looked upon favorably these days.
You do know Primal has TLK Concept Art, right?
And the bias reveals itself. You don't like it? That's perfectly fine. But the series continues to be significant in its effect on the franchise to this day and to ignore it is to be ignorant at your own peril.
The problem is with Beast Wars necessitating the beast modes - namely, they're (initially) the only way to protect the robots from the radioactive Energon soaked atmosphere of prehistoric Earth. So you have to have a reason why everybody time travels back to prehistoric Earth where at face value, literally nothing of value exists.
Except the Ark.
The whole reason Beast Wars happens is because BW Megatron is carrying out G1 Megatron's plan to kill Prime and thus allow the Decepticons to win the war when the volcano erupts in 1984. If there is no Prime to kill, then Megatron has no reason to time travel back to prehistoric Earth, and thus you lose the whole point of the beast modes.
The pokemon movie was great, so I think the beast wars movie will be great too.
What about having the BW movie taking place in the far future where humanity's almost wiped out to the point of not having any type of vehicle anymore with high Energon readings going back up thus having the need for beast modes? Or that having the movie be in a very remote island on Earth in the present where the BW cast have to take beast modes because there's nothing else to scan from to protect from again a high level of Energon that hasn't gone down? You know like a Mysterious Island/King Kong type of setting where some prehistoric life are still very much alive.
I mean seriously it's not that hard to think of other type of settings and plot for the BW movie that doesn't just involve the timeline story from the original series. Especially when you have BW Megatron think of other ways of messing everyone up that's still as destructive as his original motive.
Fair enough. But all the same it's not like other pop culture characters that didn't get much exposure and story adaptations had a low chance of being a hit such as Guardians of the Galaxy.
Never hid my bias. But ok. You go on loving it, fine by me. Your ignorant babble did nothing to convert me to liking monkeys and purple dinosaurs. I’m already done with you and moved on. Thanks tho.
See, you've put more thought into it than I would honestly expect of Paramount, so credit where due, good job.
Just another example of extremes - if you don't love something, you obviously hate it and vice versa.
There is no middle ground anymore it would seem. Either you agree or you're apparently the enemy, that seems to be the mindset these days.
Please no McGuffins, it was stupid in last Star Wars with two items and it was lame in every Bayformers movie.
I think it would be great to make Bumblebee universe Bay-free.
Sucks that dinobot is dead. He would have been a great character to have alive in the movie.
I just hope Optimus Primal turns into a cow and Megatron is an obese fish.
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