Discussion in 'Transformers Cyberverse and Cartoon Discussion' started by Shackstoys, Feb 15, 2019.
I see, thanks for clearing that up.
Watched it and out of the 3. This was the best, if I were to give it a score I would go with 7 out 10 or an 80 out 100. The voice acting killed most of the score as well as some of the characters development. starscream being the new sunstorm.
Hasbro finally acknowledging sideswipe having a twin brother.
Primal character was disappointing and he was a massive dick.
Even I agree with most folks about tiger and dinobot va being need to be switched, I still liked it.
Elita-1 and Co fate was sad.
Love the idea of cybertron and the allspark being in a symbiotic relationship.
Love this new take on nemesis prime.
I never saw the og beastwars so this is interesting.
Only watched the first episode but I like it..
I only picked up the kingdom Megatron figure but I feel like I'll want others after watching this lol
I liked it. has problems YESSSSSSSSSSSS and not having these shows be at least 12 episode seasons is a mistake.... you only kinda feel bad for elita... and even she didnt have enough time in the prior 2 seasons for you to bond to her... you need the episodes of random missions and team building and character building... you need episodes of showing some fun and light hearted times that way the dark times hit harder.
but for what they tried , it was entertaining........ and are we getting a season 4 or is that only leading up to the next toy trilogy and no show?
I thought the voice casting for Beast Megs was interesting. He definitely would have worked better as the other guy (I'm avoiding spoilers here) but he has the PERSONALITY of that guy, too. Like, what if Megatron was ________? It worked for the story, I thought.
Overall this was definitely the best and most exciting one.
For the love of all that’s holy keep FJ Desanto away from Transformers from now on.
So...just to get this out of the way, yeah we ended up with discount versions of the Beast Wars characters' voices. That really shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone, but it is what it is. Some range from okay, to serviceable, to downright terrible. The best was probably Rattrap with the worst being BW!Megatron, with even the iconic "Yesss..." just sounding completely wrong and ill-befitting of the character. I'm tempted to think Tigatron and Dinobot should've switched voices, although Tigatron barely talked...I mean, this series has never been a high mark for voice acting, so I guess I'm glad I didn't set my expectations high.
It felt like this entire series was basically just a bunch of guilt-tripping Optimus Prime or watching him get beat up. How many times did we need to remind him how everything was his fault because he sent the Allspark away? And because of that he created a dystopian future for the Maximals and Predacons. Like it took until the very end for the Allspark and Elita-1 to finally tell him he made the right choice.
Another thing that annoyed the heck out of me was just this flip-flopping over whether Megatron was evil or not. Oh look at his noble intentions while he talks about wiping out Optimus Prime and the Autobots and how he's basically just doing it for ego at this point. And then it's all cool as Megatron and the Predacons just walk off into the sunset after trying to kill everybody for centuries because he finally got the memo...and then he implies eventually they'll probably fight again. Ugh.
I'm really kind of just tired of everybody in this show being all angry and stressed at each other every season, but at least it wasn't that long before the Maximals and the Autobots became allies.
"Optimus!" "What!?" and "Is that how he says transform?" were admittedly kind of funny.
This show really didn't do BW!Megatron justice, just turning him into a Megatron sycophant without much of a personality all to his own. Obviously part of it is no David Kaye but there's not much even he could've done with how he was written in this show. I did like how G1!Megatron obviously took issue with the name thing.
I liked that they acknowledged Airazor and Tigatron's relationship...and then Airazor ends up also being Blackarachnia's Silverbolt and getting a kiss on the cheek. Sure, why not?
Blackarachnia is still Blackarachnia with a dash of Tarantulas, knowing way more than she's telling but ultimately out for herself, to the point where she finally joins the Maximals to save her own skin...but it was nice to see her in that group shot.
Dinobot wanted to act honorably and decided to throw in with Dinobot and Starscream...yeah, he should've just joined the Maximals.
Could Starscream always turn invisible? And Mirage's transformations can put him at the actual height of who he's copying?
Why was Arcee's vision of Cog?
Poor Sideswipe. Airazor just sees him as "The Red One." I did like how his vision was seeing Sunstreaker, although sadly we didn't get to see him.
Dinobot got his Code of Hero moment...not that it was as good as Code of Hero, but the intention was the same where he makes a heroic last stand and fights with honor to redeem himself and change the tide of the battle for the good guys. I'm glad he was able to get a moment with the Maximals before he died and express that a part of him always wanted to defect and join them like he's supposed to, and Primal would've accepted him despite him probably making a terrible Maximal, and they got in one Rattrap and Dinobot moment to boot.
I count one utterance of "Boss Bot."
I legitimately thought they had killed off Soundwave there for a second...but then we wouldn't have gotten Ravage versus Cheetor and Tigatron.
I...really don't understand what was the point of Prime giving Megatron the Matrix and having Megatron go into the Allspark temple with it (and apparently the Allspark is so important that it's temple just magically transports itself wherever it goes. Gotta stay classy).
I have to say I was surprised Starscream ended up going the Armada Starscream route of betraying Megatron because it was the right thing to do and Unicron was the more dangerous threat. Altogether I think Frank Todaro probably had the strongest performance in the entire series, capturing Starscream's conniving and ravings when he realizes the true danger quite well.
We were robbed of a sequence of the Ark fully transforming into giant robot form, and of an epic giant robot fight...although it must have been so satisfying for the Ark to just straight up punch the Nemesis.
I guess it's nice that the show brought things full circle with Optimus and Bumblebee...of course that's how the franchise usually goes these days. I do love how Bumblebee ended up being Prime's first choice to take over if he and everyone else died because why the heck not?
I did find it kind of ironic that an evil version of Megatron and Optimus Prime were able to work together compared to their past selves.
Well, at least we got an Optimus Prime versus Nemesis Prime fight.
Jeez, they really did the Cybertron Autobots dirty...and then they end up being Allspark ghosts that wipe out Galvatron and Nemesis Prime as a deus ex machina. And did I see Skywarp there? Was that supposed to be him?
Kingdom was definitely the worst of the three. While the first two weren't terrible, they weren't all that great either. But Kingdom, the voice acting for the Beast Wars characters was atrocious. The "Beast Wars Megatron", I put that in quotes because it's not Beast Wars Megatron, voice was nails on chalkboard bad. They even had him say yes one of the first times he spoke. Man, was it awful, so was "Dinobot", so was "Primal", so was "Rhinox", so was "Cheetor", etc. etc. Black Arachnia and Airazor weren't as bad as the others, but that's not saying much. Not the worst Transformers show, but it wasn't good either. At least there have been some GREAT toys to come out of this series. It could be worse. It could have been Energon.
Thanks Netflix, now I want a multiversal Unicron battles movie.
4/10. Voices still suck, but I loved what it did with Starscream and the last episode was actually pretty cool, even if it felt a little sloppy.
Well, it was watchable? It wasn't the worst thing ever, like the last two seasons, but I wouldn't call it good either. There was a moment where I couldn't recall the moment were Beast Megatron switched sides in the end. One moment he was fangirling over Megatron, next thing he's standing with the Autobots and Maximals. He lacked the charm of the original and was horribly miscast either way. Also, they did Elita and her whole squad dirty big time, as if her arc as well as that of her team's was all for nothing. Maximal cast was ok. Not bad, but nothing special either. Everyone still takes those annoying dramatic pauses in every sentence they speak.
Also, wtf was up with the 2 blink-and-miss Blackarachnia gay moments? Seriously, if you're gonna go gay can we please stop with the damn queerbaiting? Embrace it or don't bother.
This show was crap!
I watched Siege with low expectations but a positive attitude and wanted to defenestrate myself by the end.
I watched Earthrise with lower expectations and zero interest and wanted to chain myself to an anchor and dive off a boat in the pacific by the end.
If I watch Kingdom, it'll be with rock bottom expectations and a merciless critical eye. Should I even bother?
This is coming from the world's easiest to please Transformers fan so take it with a grain of salt, but I thought it was pretty good. There's some stuff that doesn't makes sense and some of the voice acting is iffy, but I liked a lot the concepts they used and most of it is really cool.
Okay, just finished watching the show.
This show disproves my "Astrotrain is reverse movie Barricade" assertion. My satisfaction that he finally got to do something outweighs my disappointment at being wrong.
I couldn't tell if Optimus Prime was talking slower from his injuries or it's his regular slowness finally getting to me.
I tried to spot other instances, but I think "fwom your future" is the only time Primal mispronounced something like that.
Dinobot and Tigatron should have swapped VAs.
Generics just appeared out of nowhere, and I didn't get why they were needed.
I liked how Mirage hid himself to help Rattrap fight the Cons during the breakout. I didn't like how the strike team escaped by having the Decepticons randomly turn on Beast Megatron.
I thought Soundwave had been killed by Dinobot. There's also no way Thundercracker survived getting cut in half and falling into a volcano, so it would have to be a generic that either got killed or showed up later.
Nemesis Prime justified having a spoiler box this time around.
I really don't like that
there's no sign of Shockwave on Cybertron. He wouldn't be dumb enough to plant a bomb that he didn't have time to get away from, so I doubt he would have died in that explosion. But he wasn't shown to still be alive or dead by some other means. As far as I'm concerned, he's still alive somewhere. Also in regards to said explosion, as annoying as it was that everyone else died in it, I wasn't expecting many survivors anyway.
On a similar note,
I also wish Soundblaster, Omega Supreme and the Coneheads showed up in the finale to confirm their survival. Though I would buy the Coneheads just being out in space somewhere.
And as for the ending, I wasn't a fan.
The end of the war didn't feel genuine. It felt like everyone decided to stop fighting, and that's it. And as for Unicron, I don't see any resolution to that on the horizon, so it feels like the series didn't truly end.
Overall, I think this was the weakest link in the trilogy, but mainly due to the ending dragging it down further than the other two.
I loved how Optimus' first thought when he sees a couple of organics making a ruckus is "Shoot the animals!"
Just slogged my way through it all in one sitting....do I get a cookie?
I'll admit that Kingdom was a slight improvement over Siege & Earthrise. Not exactly a high bar, since those are genuinely some of the most poorly produced bits of crap I've ever forced myself to sit through.
The plot, while not good, was a bit more focussed this time. I thought the BW characters gelled better than expected....which isn't saying much. If I think about any of the dialogue or scenes in detail, I'm going to start laughing at how bad it actually was, so I'm going to be kind and gloss over things in blissful ignorance.
Anyway, it was once again the voices where most of the damage was done. The recurring cast were as reliably terrible as usual. Starscream was far and away the most 'alive' out of everyone, especially once he'd gone a little cuckoo. Strangely, both Megatron & Prime's VA's sounded magnitudes better when voicing Galvatron & Nemesis; how does that work?!
The BW crew ranged from "forgettable but not insulting" for the most part, to downright awful with Megatron. Seriously, you turn the most competent and dangerous villain in the whole franchise into a moronic simpleton with the voice of an extra from Energon? Sums up the show really.
To be fair, Rattrap, Dinobot & Airazor weren't bad, and Blackarachnia actually sounded like she fit in an official cartoon; though I'm not quite sure why they felt the need to inject queer-baiting into her character (calling Arcee cute & kissing Airazor, in a weird sort-of-homage to Silverbolt)....nothing wrong with it, but it felt pointlessly forced.
I also laughed at the fail of scale. Why were the BW bunch the same size as G1 gang, yet looked naturally scaled to Earth at the same time (like Primal swinging from trees, or Airazor sitting on a branch)? Is everyone, including the G1 cast, constantly mass-shifting?
Overall score: 4/10
Minus 1 score point for every time Megatron tells us his name is Megatron in that Patrick Star voice =
Final Score: -8/10
Geez you’d think Megatron had an Onlyfans account for how much Beast Megs was simping for him.
Incredibly rushed (except when Optimus is talking amirite) and horribly acted like the prior two installments.
That was better than I thought it would be.
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