Netflix WfC Trilogy discussion thread

Discussion in 'Transformers Cyberverse and Cartoon Discussion' started by Shackstoys, Feb 15, 2019.

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Will it be good?

  1. Yes!

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  2. No!

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  3. I'm from the future and all who said yes were right!

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  4. I'm from the future and all who said no were right!

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  5. I'm from the future and there was never a Titan class Skorponok figure!! Please hastak!!!

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  1. rikkomba

    rikkomba Fishmonger Supreme of TFW2005

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    I am not sure what Siege Netflix did to personally, deeply offend so many fans. It's clear that this is not about the technical quality of the series - it's about something else. I wonder what we would have read if instead of Elita 1 Optimus had to find comfort in Dion.
     
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  2. AshleyCuadra

    AshleyCuadra Tieria Prime

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    It’ll be cool to get screenshots though
     
  3. fu2kimus

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    It didn’t offend me, I just dislike it. I don’t really have a problem with the concept of the series, on paper. I just really dislike the way it’s directed, and drabness of it all. I’m going to reference it again, but it’s already been said in this very thread “zero fun”.
     
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  4. ZEGR

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    lmao Nick Nolte as Ironhide...that was awesome!
     
  5. Frontier4

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    I think Prime is more comparable to Legendary Defender than Siege is. If I had to compare Siege to anything, it would probably be a slower-paced G.I. Joe Resolute.
    Optimus, to me, felt like a noble and righteous leader on their last legs of a losing war and coming off whatever high he once had after receiving the Matrix and initially opposing Megatron. Kind of like how he started off at the end of Autocracy to the beginning of Primacy. So he was starting to let self-doubt and whatever scraps of hope he was still clinging to effect his decision-making.

    I think Jetfire was only starting to realize how far Megatron had fallen from when he initially founded the Decepticons. The show seemed to be trying to convey that Megatron and the Decepticons falling to the depravity and extremism that fans usually define them with was more gradual, or at least clouded by the war.
     
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  6. Splendic

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    There are so many excellent TF stories already written, ready for animated adaptation (MTMTE someday... Please?), it gets frustrating watching yet another TF series with such simplistic characters, dialogue, and plotting.

    For once can we see animated Cybertronians that reflect some forward-thinking sci-fi concepts?

    I mean, Alpha Trion can scatter his memories across a network and infect another bot with them, but the whole of Cybertronian history isn't on record anywhere? Well of course not, because then the "mysterious" artifacts (mcguffins) they're always chasing don't make sense.

    I'd love for once to hear about all the hacking and data warfare that led to such massive holes in Cybertronians' collective memories if that's the setting we're always going to be stuck with. It would also explain why they communicate verbally, and have triggers on their weapons... (open up your wireless frequencies, and you get hacked!)

    I get this series in particular is completely toy line based, and needs to be accessible to kids, but Hasbro needs to realize the TF franchise media fan's average age is much more mature and we finally need a series for those fans.

    Hell, look at all the great DC and Marvel comics stories that have been adapted into toons of some sort or another, and let's dig through some of the great TF comics to do the same.
     
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  7. Marvelboy1974

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    So, who do you think will join the cast for part 2 and part 3, respectively?
     
  8. BB Shockwave

    BB Shockwave Behold, Gagatron!

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    Good points and good historical comparisons. I am also mad that they did the Magnus surrender in episode 1 already, and basically neutered his character. He might have been a great warrior and good friend to Prime, we just... never saw that, he gets tortured and killed. Never even transforms.
    Mirage seemed like a new kid, someone who has just been created or he just joined the Autobots... so when Impactor told him about the mines I half expected him to tell him off saying he did not even exist then. And indeed, he never talks about what he did before the war.
    The closest when the show became poignant was when Elita remarked one of the ruined buildings used to be a theater, I think.
    And indeed, Megatron goes from giving Wheeljack a chance and recommending Autobots to find the nearest "surrender booth" (are those like the suicide booths in Futurama?) to wanting to exterminate them all.
    As I said, it often felt like every episode was written by someone else, and the series director went on holiday.

    I been saying that for ages. Take some good stand-alone story arcs from Marvel, IDW, Dreamwave, and animate them. Target 2006, The War Within, Stormbringer, Megatron Origins... there are countless ones to list. Do them like DC did Under the Red Hood or Superman Doomsday.
     
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  9. jungle penguins

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    Agree very much, but I think there's another factor here, sort of an inverse/reverse of what you're saying? Like a more serious toned show of a perceived children's/family's IP seems to have harsher arguments defending it (regardless if they have merit) in addition to what you suggested (harsher criticism).
     
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    Yeah, it's like in some episodes they had it wrapped and then someone else came along and shoehorned in some extra Megatron dialog that directly contradicts the action he immediately takes after.

    If Megatron resisting some of his more evil and depraved tendencies and/or suggestions from others had been handled better he would have been a lot more interesting character. Or even giving him and Magnus kind of an ol' war buddies catch-up moment, just the two, would have gone a long ways for Megatron. They refer to each other as "brothers" but Megatron only shows even the faintest of friendship when he tells Shockwave to cool it on the torture... and then he and Shockwave instantly dial up the electrocution strength immediately after, lol.
     
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  11. CyberstormSM

    CyberstormSM Turbo-Revvin' Young Punk

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    Whoever had their toys on shelves like a year before the season drops.
     
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  12. Bass X0

    Bass X0 Captain Commando

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    It was more interesting and gripping than IDW2.

    I wouldn’t mind a full series of this.
     
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  13. AutobotAvalanche

    AutobotAvalanche Number One in Boogieland Moderator

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    This is a really minor nitpick that I didn't bring up before, but if you're going to be pretentious and call your CGI cartoon an anime, and call each season a chapter, the least you can do is give the episodes actual titles.

    A good title can be indicative of the themes or point of an episode and makes each one a distinct unit. "Episode 2" is lazy and makes it more clear how everything just blurs together.
     
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  14. Longitudinalwave

    Longitudinalwave A Big Fan of (Sound/Shock)wave

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    Yes, I do think it works both ways, at least to some extent.
     
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    This really showed the limits of reusing character models. There were so many model re-uses to the point that few of the characters felt distinctive at all. I thought it was Chromia who got her arm chewed off not Moonracer because visually there was so little difference between the two. And neither character was developed in anyway to have importance of their own. It was distracting to see so many clones around. Like, what does it matter if Cog dies when there's dozens of differently colored Cogs hanging around?

    It feels like watching nameless, indistinguishable Clone troopers blowing each other up.
     
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  16. Nelomaxwell

    Nelomaxwell Till all are one

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    Haven't watched the series yet. But these responses don't give me much hope.
     
  17. Frontier4

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    I'm curious how long into EarthRise before we actually see the Autobots on Earth and when the 'Cons will show up. How will they even know to look on Earth and arrive close to when the Autobots do?

    Will we see any humans?
    Sideswipe seemed younger than Mirage did.

    I think the show was trying to straddle the line from Megatron the liberator to Megatron the tyrant, so he never 100% committed to either or at least tried to appear to be tough but fair even when he ultimately couldn't completely rein in his crueler streak.
    TF media seem more into taking influences from the comics along with other media rather than wholesale adapting it (especially when the comics are, in and of themselves, adaptions as well).
    The whole calling it an anime thing is pretty much on Netflix themselves, though.
     
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    Could be worse.

     
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    I hope they add Nautica and Skids somewhere (。ŏ﹏ŏ)
     
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  20. MegaMoonMan

    MegaMoonMan OFFICIAL MMM REP

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    I've seen worse, but it was far from great. I fell asleep for two or three episodes and woke up to not actually missing anything. Nothing important ever happens.

    Slow, boring, wordy, little action, just not that good. You can tell they tried to add serious themes, but the base material is so silly and nonsensical that it didn't help. I'm not sure transformers itself can support actual mature themes in a natural way - at least it can't without a lot of rewriting the basic core.

    It's way better than that combiner wars crap, but pretty much anything is.
     
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