Netflix WfC Trilogy discussion thread

Discussion in 'Transformers Cyberverse and Cartoon Discussion' started by Shackstoys, Feb 15, 2019.

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Will it be good?

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  2. No!

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  3. I'm from the future and all who said yes were right!

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  4. I'm from the future and all who said no were right!

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  5. I'm from the future and there was never a Titan class Skorponok figure!! Please hastak!!!

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  1. HyperSauce

    HyperSauce That Bot Life

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    She was great as Elita. Hoping they get good screen time in the next chapter.
     
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    I want you to know that there a lot of cersions of transformers lore, so the answer to your question will undoubtedly vary from series to series. The wasy answer is they were just poking fun at a prominent charactet looking exactly like another character with different colors
     
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  3. LizardbotHero

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    I binged it all this morning, and honestly I found myself bored most of the time. It wasn’t terrible, and I can appreciate the tone the writers were trying to set for the series, but man, way too much talking. And everyone. talks. so. damn. slowly. By the conclusion when characters were dying or changing allegiances, I felt no emotional attachment to any of it. The whole season felt rushed and lacked any significant backstory or character development. They could’ve easily made it into a 12 episode season and provided more backstory and character development to actually engage the audience. But instead I felt like I was watching a few episodes of a soap opera without having seen any previous episodes or knowing any of the characters. The few Easter eggs and references were a nice touch, and the action scenes were pretty good for the most part. I kind of liked how they wrote Jetfire’s character to resemble that of Dinobot from Beast Wars, whether it was intentional or not. The whole “Alpha Trion Protocol” thing was just plain weird and felt completely unnecessary except to force Bumblebee to join the Autobot cause. Impactor’s arc was neat but again felt rushed. The voice acting was a solid “meh” and nobody stood out as the star of the series to me. Most people are praising Elita as being the best character but she honestly annoyed me the most. But then again, so did Prime. I wasn’t expecting it to be strictly G1 based, but I felt like they were trying too hard to deviate from G1 that they missed the mark completely. I’m really hoping the series picks up for the better moving forward, otherwise I’m going to lose all faith in any future Transformers media.
     
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    Except a deus ex machina is out of nowhere. Omega Supreme was set up (albeit with a mislead) and his appearance was the pay off

    I really liked the series overall! Optimus sounded weird when yelling i hope Jake can hone his voice for Earthrise. I really enjoyed the characterization and callbacks to the storybeats of the G1 cartoon. I dont really vibe with the alpha trion protocols being introduced to swiftly be erased, nor do i really enjoy bumblebee being made intona prominent hero type again.
    The voice acting for the most part was really good! I especially loved Megatron, Jetfire, Starscream and Wheeljack! Especially how wheeljack's plates on his head glow as he talks, we havent seen that in an animated series since G1! Can you believe that?
    The fight scenes could be better, and some characters weren't used in ways that i would prefer, namely Spinister and Ironhide. But other characters lile Ratchet and Mirage pleasantly surprised me.
    I've watched it 3 times now and am about to watch it for a 4th in japanese! I cant stop recommending it to people!
     
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  5. lordcryotek

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    It was okay. I was somewhat entertained. I didn't hate it, but I can't muster up much enthusiasm for what I saw either. And that's okay, it's not a show really aimed at me.
     
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    Random thoughts on the trilogy:

    - I think the animation and writing were definitely a step up from the Prime Wars trilogy. You can definitely tell that a professional studio did the animation, even if I felt the toy-accurate models could be a little too stiff at times. I don't think the writing was amazing but I appreciate what the story was trying to say and how it adapted things for this iteration of the TF brand in terms of a modern and more serious take on G1. I really don't see the issue with the lack of "fun" or "adventure." The tone and depiction felt in-line with what we've seen of the war in past TF depictions, like in the Cybertron sequence in Bumblebee. Maybe it's because I'm a fan of the more adult leaning DC Animated films but I don't see the issue with a more serious Transformers story in-spite of the franchise's colorful roots and characters given it's primarily focusing on the war aspect. I think the issue should be more the execution than the lack of humor. I think Batman: Under the Red Hood is as valid as Batman: The Brave and the Bold just like the more serious IDW comics are as valid as Transformers: Animated. There are many ways of expressing the franchise.

    - The voice acting was fairly uneven as has been the case with the TF cartoons ever since Cyberverse. I'd nominally rate it as passable, with a few performances being generally solid to good, while others ended up sounding not at all appropriate for the characters (Ironhide, Hound, Soundwave, Shockwave). As a whole I also felt like the voices didn't do as good a job of sounding distinct from one another, but this has been a problem I had with Cyberverse as well. I'm kind of surprised people don't like Marnocha given he was one of the few highlights of the Prime Wars trilogy.

    - Ha! Wheeljack and Bumblebee hunting for Energon! Just like G1.

    - Prime reminded me more of IDW Prime, where he's more self-doubting and regretful leader trying to maintain his hope and idealism in the midst of a hopeless war and no clear answer in sight and barely any support system that doesn't also make him feel equally guilty about every choice he makes. Jake Tillman is still delivering a Peter Cullen impersonation and calling it a performance, but I felt like he did a decent enough job here aside from when he needed to raise his voice.

    - Bumblebee being this loner Energon scout who wants nothing to do with both factions was an interesting take. I didn't love how they used the Alpha Trion protocols to contrive his involvement with the Autobots, but I liked that he finally decided to join them even after the protocols were gone.

    - I wasn't expecting them to turn Jetfire into Dinobot from Beast Wars, but I liked how they explored Jeftire as a Decepticon more before he inevitably switched sides to the Autobots.

    - I liked a more action-heavy Elita-1 but her constant doubting of Prime just got old after a while.

    - Ultra Magnus was pretty useless. The most he actually accomplished was dying so that Bumblebee could lead the Autobots to the Allspark, but I guess that was useful to a certain extent.

    - Did they actually kill off Skywarp? He still seemed alive when Starscream found him. Not sure why Starscream would try to claim he's dead, though he's also got an EarthRise toy...

    - I thought it was weird to see Red Alert as the medic instead of Ratchet until we found out what was actually going on with Ratchet, and then they followed canon by knocking Red Alert off the Ark and leaving Ratchet as the main Autobot medic. Funny how things work.

    - I love how all the fembots have prominent thighs and sway their hips whenever they move. Especially Arcee.

    - I really don't buy that Prime would've gone along with putting that bomb in Jetifre's head. This is the same 'bot who said that they wouldn't be like the Decepticons and force anyone to join the Autobots, but he's fine with putting a bomb in Jetfire? If anything, Jetfire's willingness to go along with it should've been proof to Optimus that he was serious about switching sides upload_2020-8-1_21-16-58.gif .

    - Poor Moonracer. Good thing Powerglide wasn't in this.

    - Pretty fun take on Soundblaster. It was funny to see them make a comment about him instead of all the other recolors in this show.

    - Random Terrorcons are random.

    - A huge Astrotrain showed up for five seconds and seemingly out-of-nowhere. Not sure what that was about.

    - Omega Supreme! What an entrance. I knew he was going to show up when we saw that Guardian sillhouette peering down on Optimus, but it was still pretty awesome. I'm going to assume the Spacebridge explosion caused him to follow the Ark into space.

    - Nice re-contexualizing the lore of G1 for this iteration. We've got the Ark crew with mainly classic G1 characters (and later G1 character Arcee) lost in space and destined to end up on Earth while Elita-1 and a small resistance continue the fight on Cybertron. Starscream is made head of the Seekers which will inevitably blow up in Megatron's face because it's, of course, Starscream. And thus sets the stage for Earthrise and the fight for the Allspark on Earth.
     

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  7. John TheDestroyer

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    I didn't see a Japanese option either, but someone helpfully pointed out that you can go to the language settings on your account and switch it to Japanese, and then go into the options for the show and the Japanese dub will then be an option (good luck doing all that in a different language lmao). It is worth it though, the Japanese dub is much easier on the ears than the English version

    If you use Android, you can download an app called Google Lens and you'll be able to hover your camera over any text and it'll translate it. It's super handy and it's the only reason I was able to navigate Netflix in a different language :lol 
     
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  8. LightningBlade3

    LightningBlade3 Destined to be a Prime

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    I hope they stop trying to make this Optimus talk and sound like Peter Cullen’s Optimus. Whenever he tried to imitate his speech pattern and have lines that sounded like Cullen, it just felt off. However, whenever it felt like Jake was making it his own, I surprisingly liked Optimus much more. His “We are NOT the Decepticons!” outburst probably sticks out to me the most; more than likely because Cullen hasn’t really been allowed to “emote” as much whenever he does Prime these days, so having Optimus actually show emotion is a nice change of pace.
     
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    >turn jetfire into dinobot from beast wars
    I mean...Jetfire did it first
     
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    So I think Springer is probably the most notably absent transformer from the Siege toy line?
    And what was with that SUPER fast Astrotrain Cameo?

    Oh and did
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    really die? We saw him get injured by Jetfire but made it to Starscream, who later said that he was dead.
     
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    He himself never appeared as an individual in the Guardians scene, which were all silhouettes btw. By the time Omega showed up and left I had already forgotten about that Guardians scene. It still comes off as a deux ex machina. I bet you people who aren't familiar with the franchise are gonna wonder where he came from.
     
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    Only if they weren’t paying attention. When we saw Omega, they very clearly referred to him as one of the guardians ‘finally choosing a side’ and Omega said he only speaks for himself
     
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  14. Magnum Dongus

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    Everyone is talking about how Astrotrain’s cameo was way too fast, and I guess they were right because I have no idea what the hell anyone is talking about. Astrotrain showed up? Where? When?
     
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    You don't even see the design of the Guardians until Omega shows himself. I can understand why someone might be confused. It still felt out of place. If they had added even a moment where one of the guardians showed hesitance on not helping the Autobots it would have made a huge difference.
     
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  16. Sammael

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    Deus ex machina is an unexpected event that happens and resolves a problem instead of the protagonists. That's exactly what happened in that scene. It was unexpected because it wasn't set up in any way - we are not introduced to Omega Supreme by name, we don't know about his inner struggle to break away from the Guardian policy, we don't know about his attitude towards Megatron or his opinion of the war. If we had heard those things in an actual episode, then it would not have been deus ex machina.
     
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  17. Smokeyoreo18

    Smokeyoreo18 Has to wait 280 days till he can watch RoTB

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    I think I posted this in the other siege thread but I have a theory that might be a bit of a stretch I think that astrotrain is the same astrotrain from cyberverse and this is one of the universes he visited I’m only basing this off of what I’ve heard from an interview with FJ desanto saying that one of the writers from cyberverse is one of the writers of this show and he said that he’s Kind of a link between them so they can see what they’re doing on cyberverse and astrotrain is huge

    EDIT: I didn’t really read your comment but anyways he appears around when the autobots are getting ark to start or when Optimus is trying to throw the allspark into the space bridge
     
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  18. Shepard Prime

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    Thanx! I'll do that. Make me feel like I'm watching Unicron Trilogy and Headmasters.
     
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    I hope they didn't kill of skywarp and that was just starscream exaggerating to make Jetfire confess to shooting him.... Lame if he's dead like that!
     
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    Probably not because he’s in earthrise
     
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