need help please put graphic novels in order

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  1. MTME

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    Hi,
    ok I have way too many Batman and Justice league graphic novels and I feel like I am reading them in the wrong order or some of them crossover I don't know can annyone help me put themn in order?
    Please and thank you
    If I am wrong in calling one of the graphic novels Batman istead of JLA I'm sorry.
    I also realize some of these may not be in the same continuity if that's the case just let me know that they aren't

    Batman: Knightfall 1-3
    JLA Cry for Justice
    JLA Justice
    JLA Idetity Crisis
    JLA Origins
    Batman under the red hood
    Batman red hood the lost days
    Batman Battle for the cowl
    All star batman and robin the boy wonder
    Batman a death in the family
    Batman Hush
    Batman RIP
    Batman Dark Victory
    Batman Life after death
    Batman (or JLA) Final Crisis
    Batman No Man's Land 1-4

    I also have others that I know aren't in the same continuity
    Young Justice 1 and 2
    Flash Rebirth
    Flash Road to Flashpoint
    Flash Flashpoint
    Red hood and the outlaws redemption


    Help??
     
  2. smkspy

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    JLA Origins
    Batman a death in the family
    Batman: Knightfall 1-3
    Batman No Man's Land 1-4
    Batman Hush
    Batman under the red hood
    JLA Idetity Crisis
    JLA Cry for Justice
    Batman RIP
    Batman (or JLA) Final Crisis
    Batman Battle for the cowl
    Flash Rebirth
    Flash Road to Flashpoint
    Flash Flashpoint
    Red hood and the outlaws redemption



    I don't know where these final two fall when it comes to continuity. Everything else is out of continuity.

    Batman red hood the lost days
    Batman Dark Victory
     
  3. Aernaroth

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    I'm pretty sure Red Hood: The Lost Days takes place between Infinite Crisis and Under the Red Hood. Best leave it until after you've read the main stories though.
     
  4. astrakhan

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  5. MTME

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    thank you thank you thank you

    the timeline website is a bit confusing and doens't include everything I have.
    THis is start I guess
    red hood the lost days I assume takes place after batmna under the red hood
    dark victory takes place in that comtinuity somewhere just don't know where
    doesn't hush come after under the red hood because I red a page where batman talks about it being Jason and seems like the events of unde the red hood had already taken place but I could be wrong
    doesn't batman RIP come after final crisis (since he dies in final crisis?)
     
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    There are scenes in "under the red hood" that cover a much wider length of time, covering parts of hush in flashbacks. It's sort of a story of the same events (or events going on at the same time) as the "main" series from a different point of view. Read it after Hush though.

    RIP, ironically, leads INTO Final Crisis, not after it.
     
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  7. smkspy

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    Hush is before Under the Hood. Hush first introduced the idea of Jason Todd returning. RIP leads into the arc where Batman "dies" in Final Crisis.
     
  8. SouthtownKid

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    Dark Victory takes place immediately after Long Halloween, which takes place not long after Batman: Year One.

    So chronologically, Dark Victory is the earliest occurring story MTME has.
     
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    Don't most graphic novels list what issues are in them & years published. You could always sort them that way.
     
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    That doesn't help with chronological order, though. Publication date and character timeline are often very different.
     
  11. astrakhan

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    Let me give you an example as to why it's nearly impossible to figure out trade order by the issues given. I ran into this while trying to catch up on Thor.

    "Journey Into Mystery" introduced Thor in issue 83. It became "The Mighty Thor" with issue 126. Then "JIM" Vol. 2 started up in the 70s as a different title, which lasted for only a few years. "The Mighty Thor" Vol. 1 ended in 1996 as part of the "Heroes Reborn" event. To replace it, they brought back "JIM"... at issue 503, which added up the numbering of the original run, "The Mighty Thor" and the brief 70s run. This volume of "JIM" lasted about two years.

    Okay, so Thor gets a new, self-titled ongoing after "Heroes Return". That ends at issue 85 with "Avengers Disassembled" and Thor's death. Thor and everyone else gets brought back and "Thor" Vol. 3 starts up. At issue 13 of that title, it becomes "The Mighty Thor" #600, adding up everything from the 503, the 85-issue Jurgens run and JMS' run up to that point. With me so far?

    This is when it turns to bullshit.

    "The Mighty Thor", technically back as Vol. 1, goes on until issue 622, at which point "Fear Itself" happens. The title splits in two, with "Thor the Mighty Avenger" #1 and... "Journey Into Mystery" 622. So now "JIM" is back at Vol. 1 despite being turned into "The Mighty Thor" three different times, and with about one hundred of those issues not featuring Thor in the slightest.

    The moral of the story: if you're going to keep changing back and forth from new first issues to landmark hundreds, don't change your mind after only two years. They're doing it with the X-Men titles too and it's a mess.

    And don't get me started on the Hulk. I don't know how they're going to add everything up to get to the next landmark, which would be either 600 or 700 (PAD's run ended at 467 and I don't know if they're even going to count "Incredible Herc").
     
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    You are talking about putting comics in numerical order.

    We are talking about putting stories in timeline order.


    Meaning:
    -Origin
    -early years/first meetings
    -present day
    -future/death

    That kind of thing.
     
  13. astrakhan

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    Sorry about that--I was working on my review of "Journey Into Mystery" for CE and needed somewhere to vent about how complicated it is to figure out continuity when it comes to titles.
     
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    If I were to add Rise and Fall in that list it would be towards the end correct, since Dick is Batman
     
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    The Justice League: Rise and Fall GN? Yeah, that would fall somewhere during the middle of Grant Morrison's Batman and Robin run, I think. So after battle for the cowl and before flashpoint.
     
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    ok that's toward the end, it's a justice league Rise and Fall but mostly focusses on Green and Red Arrow/Arsenel. Ollie's in prison for murdering the guy that killed Lian, Roy awakes to find out what happened to his daughter etc.
    ALso I have two other graphic novels coming in this week that I need help putting in order:
    Justice League Infinite Crisis
    Green Arrow The Longbow Hunters
    Green Arrow Quiver

    Where do those go?
     
  17. MTME

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    help?
    i also have batman life after death which I dont know where that goes either
    infinite crisis the same
    GA quiver and
    GA longbow hunters

    oh also I never heard about
    JLA Justice (alex Ross)
    and
    Batman Life after death
     
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    Longbow Hunters take place around the time of Death in the Family.
    Quiver takes place before the time of Batman Hush.
    Infinite Crisis takes place after Identity Crisis.

    JLA Justice is an out of continuity story but is mean to take place during the late 70s early 80s period of DC Comics pre-Crisis.

    Batman Life After Death takes place after Battle for the Cowl.

    I'm not sure why you don't refer to astrakhan's post.

    All you have to do is search the title in the page and it'll lead you to it. These books you just brought up (except Justice since it's out of continuity) are there.

    I still remember when Marvel during the early 2000s did dual numbering for their series. Made it a whole lot easier. Thing is, I think they figured out it was easier to push new no 1s then it was to make sense of continuing runs, so they screwed the plan later on.