I know it's been said before, but you aren't gifted with the ability to write good analogies. Perhaps you shouldn't do it anymore. Now that that's out of the way... I'm going to really have to take issue with your point that supposedly every character named the same name has always had the same "core characteristics" as the previous. (I suppose you could be forgiven for thinking this since you've literally watched and read NOTHING OTHER THAN G1, but that's a whole 'nother issue.) There are really quite a few exceptions to what you've said, Bumblebee being only just one of them. Starscream, for instance, has been very divergent. He has, at sundry times, been batshit crazy, super-intelligent, disloyal, extremely loyal, crafty, stupid, and even heroic from time to time. (And by the way...THAT'S JUST IN G1 FICTION ALONE. You should really read all about him in Armada. It'll blow your mind.) Then of course there's Ironhide, who has been a young cadet in a couple of continuities (that, again, you haven't deigned to read.) The only two Transformers who have stayed pretty much static are Optimus and Megatron--and they are exactly as they have always been in both movies as well. As for your glowing appraisal of Captain America, the argument has already been made about the Comics Code, which you have incorrectly dismissed as the reason for his pacifism. (I'd also cite piss-poor writing, but that's just me.) And yes, I did read the vampire story arc back in the day. Did you happen to watch Beast Wars at all? Thank goodness that Prime isn't like Captain America, who is THE most boring character in all of comics IMHO. Your assessment and vision of Optimus Prime, unfortunately, has not typically been carried out even in G1 fiction, much less any other continuities. If you think of G1 in particular, you'd have to remember that Optimus Prime chose to kill EVERYONE aboard the Ark by crashing it into the Earth. So not only did he decide to kill the Decepticons, but he also considered himself and his fellow Autobots an acceptable loss to keep their enemies from prevailing. As for the prison and containment thing... are you high? Yeah, remember what happened the last time a Decepticon escaped from containment? Mission City, much??? And hell, Megatron has proven that not even the deepest trench in the ocean can keep him down. Aside from that, Optimus has no choice but to follow Earthen laws (which is very G1 of him, by the way) and if the humans say that the Decepticons must be taken out, then that's that! Personally, I cheered during this scene. It sent shivers up my spine. As for your thread, overall, I thought you started out civilly enough, but you were the one that got unnerved when people gave you actual valid arguments. Then you started coming unhinged and accusing people of being brownshirts and ZOMG UR HITLERING MAH IDEEEUHHHZZZ!!!!!! Seriously, people are owning some of your ideas because they're wrong. Take what they say into consideration, rather than doing what you're doing which is essentially being defensive because you don't want to be wrong. A couple of your points were decent, in all fairness.