MP-58 Hoist

Discussion in 'Transformers News and Rumors' started by oku, Feb 25, 2023.

  1. pmdcpn

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    I mean... if he looks exactly how you want him to look, I don't see the problem.

    Also, he's hollow because it's where all his robot parts go when in alternate form.
     
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  2. Zentropy

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    A lot of the newer ones feel insubstantial to me. I realize quality isn’t determined by “heft”, but they don’t feel worth their prices to me. Or, maybe it’s just my anti-toon bias influencing my perception.
     
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    I totally get where you’re coming from & I agree to the lighter, less sophisticated, less “worthy” feel.

    But you need to understand that with figures like Hoist a LOT of mass shifting occurs during transformation. I agree that once you pull out the legs with the arms tucked away the rest feels a bit … like a shell. Far away from sturdy, ultra compact figures like Sunstreaker, even further away from MP10 and a country mile away from ultra hefty semi die-cast bots like MP1.

    But again — being in scale with both alt mode that usually dictates a max size so that all car bots fit in Prime’s trailer while also keeping in line with the ubiquitous scale chart of a very simplified 80s kids cartoon show is an almost impossible feat on its own.

    Yet Takara pull it off. Time & time again. I don’t know why but I stopped buying 3P as Takara just knock it out of the park with every new MP. I think they upped their game A LOT with going full toon (with the obvious side effect of letting down many toy/hybrid MP enthusiasts in the process) but having realistic alt mode vehicles & planes turning into slick & simplified toon characters that just OOZE CHARACTER is absolute whichcraft to me.

    I mean look at Hound, Trailbreaker, Grapple, Hoist — I can literally hear them talk :wink: 

    In a nutshell: small car turning into blocky big bot = less sturdy, more hollow. Out of pure necessity. :thumb 
     
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  4. AstroTrainee

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    Also I don’t want to ignite any 3P vs TT nonsense.

    I for one think that 3P companies actually MADE Takara up their game. And now 3Ps try to keep pace with TT in turn.

    A healthy dose of competition never hurt anyone ;) 
     
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    This person gets it! Great post!

    Also 3P companies tend to add excessive die cast parts all over the figure to increase the heft and perceived quality. But for me there should only be die cast in the feet for stability if the figure needs it.

    The MP-52 seekers have a lot of die cast in the chest and waist and it just makes them top heavy and more at risk for paint chipping. But 3P fans would most likely love the heft.
     
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    I have to go and check my collection, which until now it's balanced between FT and TT, with just a couple of KO's from TT models (Bumblebee 2.0 and MP44), but if I'm not mistaken, the last official TT's I got were the recent MP52 seeker trio, and I'm pretty pleased with then. Some people complained that they lack ratchets, and some joints were on the loose side (especially Starscream), the lack of a waist swivel which I couldn't care less on these specific characters, and the fake chest.
    I had none of those issues, or complaints about them, as they all are pretty good until now, not as hefty as a FT, but they look and feel good, not hollow and don't feel as light as Hoist does.
     
  7. jackisking

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    Takara stuff is never going to weigh as much as FTs, that's pretty much FT schtick heft and a good paint job. Takara simply doesn't see it as a priority outside of weight distribution and structural enforcement. They're not against diecast see Missing Links Prime, its just not as important to them in the MP line.
     
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  8. Teletran-1

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    They used to match FT on paint though! Seems like they've been using less and less paint since MP44's peak
     
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    They use less paint because people complained about chipping. Even then for the most part its internal parts that dont get painted with some exceptions.
     
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    Grabbed him at ShowZ for $150 shipped.
     
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  11. betsuni

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    Amazon Japan has him for even cheaper shipped. Probably around $118 including shipping. Edit: If you are in the US.
    https://www.amazon.co.jp/-/en/gp/aw/d/B0C6P77FFF

    ¥13,256 as of this post.
     
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    Bit late to the party as usual, but here I am with some Hoist :D 
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    That was fast!
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    Mine just arrived! :D 

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  15. Abigail Barajas

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    I ordered mine from Showz! So excited to get it :3
     
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    An even shorter Hoist is a win in my book!!!!
     
  17. betsuni

    betsuni I'm just here for the robots

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  19. betsuni

    betsuni I'm just here for the robots

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    Sometimes you can get lucky waiting for AJ to discount some toys like this. Plus the exchange rate is good for the US right now.
     
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    Im hoping mine shows this week. Interested to see how it compares to fanstoys version
     
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