Discussion in 'Transformers News and Rumors' started by Starfire22, Mar 25, 2021.
I never noticed that huge ducking backpack before , order cancelled
You know this scene right?
Otherwise, maybe rewatch it - Clearly, he uses thrustvectoring from his feet like the Macross Valks do.
Ergo; he can very much channel engine thrust throughout his body, whatever part that isn't his red backpack. So his mechanical anatomy isn't as straightforward as one might think. (in a sense, it reminds me a bit of how the engine air intakes of the new B-21 bomber aren't obvious/discernible; they're deliberately hidden with some sort of S-shaped flow control)
In fact, I feel the Aerialbots are WORSE offenders in regards to the supposed senseless division between robot mode and jet mode - which imo is debatable in sci-fi fantasy jet context - Aerialbots carry actual realworld earth jet modes on their backs.
By your logic, you should like a jet mode like Pretender Cloudburst - since he uses his legs and arguably, his head for jet engine thrust....but I have a feeling you might dislike that one too, no?
I get it, everyone who dislikes the Skyfire jetmode for whatever reason...but it's just another angle, just another reason for disliking it.
The huge backpack that he's supposed to have?
You backpack haters are weird.
I’m all in. Funds are set aside since he’s COD. Really looking forward to him.
And his jet mode is great looking.
I just don’t get why it can’t just compact into his body
If they keep the 30 cm combiner, Scream and Megatron are going to be with bruticus
Because they don't have to do. Settei is the goal, no other personal tastes.
yes, I know this, and no that comparison is flawed. With a Macross Valk all the thrust comes from the robot's feet -- the booster pack on the Valk is just extra and it can fly without it. Jetfire/Skyfire can't.
The design is very clear that the wings and engines are part of the backpack. So what if in one scene he lands like this? I can proof anything with one scene from the cartoon, while the very design and every other scene says otherwise: the scene just was simpler like this. In altmode he very clearly only has engines on his backpack. At best you could argue that he some small thrusters in his feet, but that doesn't change the fact that his wings and his main engines are in his backpack with nothing from the robot.
This makes clear you don't understand what I'm saying -- or just don't want to hear a different opinion.
True, there's a lot of similarity. Both have a backpack that contains the engines. However, the body of an Aerialbot forms the entire jet: everything is needed. Sure, the front of the jet and the rear form a backpack. Those part aren't needed for the robotmode. But without the robot the backpack is useless. The robot very much forms the body of the jet, namely the entire centre piece including the wings.
In contrast, Jetfire/Skyfire's body isn't needed for his altmode. All you need is the backpack. Toss the body and you still have a jet.
But as @Throway correctly commented, that is what the animation model is thus that is what TT is going to do for the MP series. And anything else would be wrong, even when we still had the Hasui style. So, no, I don't care for his jetmode design, but I would oppose a MP Jetfire/Skyfire that had another, more integrated altmode.
Sorry, but are we actually debating real world physics and sensibilities around a cartoon based on sentient alien robots that take the form of vehicles?
Skyfire is a big ass robot. He turns into a big ass plane. How he does it, where the engines get their juice, and whether they're essentially hand-gliding on a rocker pack is totally irrelevant.
Man, people get twitchy when release is a couple of days away
I understand what you're saying - however, it's also very much how you in particular read that design, trying to rationalize design elements.
What I'm saying is that it's you choosing to see it that particular way. You could also choose to interpret it differently, another sort of suspension of disbelief and "reason" that his robotic anatomy is very much integral to his flight capability despite it not using obvious visual cues in the design.
Not saying either interpretation is better or worse than the other, but it is about choice.
Either way, I wont let it deter from liking the jet mode. The overall silhouette still looks great to me and the backpack and wingplacement are close enough to his 'body'.
I suppose the execution of any toy iteration also plays a role here.
Imo, with the much heralded FT Phoenix, the backpack feels too 'detached' and thus his wingplacement too high from his white fuselage.
all i think is MACROSS
I see nothing wrong with this I actually have the Toynami version that came out almost 20 yrs ago in my attic boxed up. And theres nothing wrong with Skyfires Cybertronian Jet mode. Why the hate? I have no ides.
Same soak, rinse and spin........and dry, to induce dopamine release Same old same old.......... will peter out soon. Just check the other etc etc etc threads.
"muh points!!! u gotta believe me!!"
its just too easy to see some people get so judgemental these days lol
I'm hoping TCP doesn't get this guy until the first weekend in February, at the earliest. Nemesis Lio releases this weekend, and I could use a week between releases.
when it rains it pours eh?
call me small-brained but, whos TCP?
Ive noticed this phenomenon lately. All I know it is almost Friday in japan.
The Chosen Prime, the online retailer, where I assume SunSwipe5 pre-ordered MP-57 from.
EDIT: Link for clarity
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