Discussion in 'Transformers News and Rumors' started by Knightsword, May 9, 2018.
Not that I've ever heard.
A quick search from the SP thread found several (at least 5) break reports. I haven't scoured the thread, but there could be more:
I really wish Takara would sell the base that came with Dinobot outside of him. Hell I'd buy a KO of the base. I enjoy messing with all the MP figures and being able to have them in beast mode and be at the same height using the bases is nice, but only having one and having to share it makes it difficult.
Im sure they will at some point, I think they would have to design more cradles to go with them though.
To be fair, mine wasn't the shoulder. It was the Panther legs. I was connecting them together in the back (for robot mode) and I didn't like how they looked so I was trying to carefully pull them apart because they were in so tight and it ripped apart. Piece got stuck inside and literally ripped a stream of plastic right off. I was able to get replacement legs through The Chosen Prime thankfully.
Never had any issues with the shoulders on either Cheetor or Shadow Panther, but now finding this out, I will be very careful if I decide to pose them in the future.
Completed a daily crotch inspection and it’s still fine, but I won’t pretend that it’s not a slightly bothersome “what if” to have sitting around.
Initially I felt more relaxed about it, but as time goes on I’m feeling a little resentment.
It’s pretty much the only piece in my collection that doesn’t have a ‘set and forget’ aspect to it, in terms of stability.
I’d like to think that any guaranteed breakages would happen within the first days/weeks, but maybe I’m being too optimistic.
Um, should I be worried?
Does that line coming from the screw hole feel like a crack when you touch it?
I'm already wondering whether some sort of clear coat on that part would help extend its lifespan somehow. Perhaps some bonding UV light glue or something.
Nope, doesn't feel like a crack.
That doesn't look like anything out of the ordinary. That's just the plastic swirl, not a crack.
I'm pretty sure you may have nailed the cause right here! My friend, who's copy was cracked right out of the box, brought his over, and I took a look.
At first, nothing seemed different, but then I took off the ratchet piece., and it was definitely miss assembled at the factory. The diecast hip bar has a square peg. The purple ratchet has a square hole. His, however, was put on wrong, somehow not lining up the square to square.
You can see the ratchet was put on rotated 45 degrees from where it should, and forced down enough that it smashed the plastic down. Those corners at the green arrow shouldn't be there, and were created by forcing the part down over diecast hip joint. You can see the smashed plastic at the red arrows.
Here's another angle without the arrows so you can see the smashed down plastic a little better.
And compared to how it should look
So what does this do? Well that damaged ratchet doesn't sit down as far as it should, since there's now smashed plastic in they way of it sitting properly. I'd also guess the internal circular section is pushed outward slightly too. All of which, in turn, will create extra tension and stress when two crotch have were screwed, too tightly, together, causing the crack. You can see below that the affected ratchet, on the right side in this picture, does sit slightly further out than the one of the left.
I still stand by the assumption that if your piece is showing no signs of cracking, it'll most likely be safe. But also still say loosening, just ever so slightly, the three outer crotch screws it a good preventative measure. Both figures I've disassembled had awfully tight screws, like way tighter than they needed to be or on any of the other multitude of figures I've taken apart. I'm seeing more and more evidence that the breakage is caused during assembly/at the factory.
I'm also not seeing any evidence that the mere act of disassembling will cause any potential cause for cracking, as long as you have even the most basic experience disassembling figures. If anything, you'll only be relieving undue stress on on the pieces in question. I've disassembled my own 3 times now, transformed it about 10 times, and purposefully swung the legs back and forth, with a decent amount of speed, and I'm seeing no negative effects whatsoever.
Nice detective work. Now if we could get more looks at other people's defective copies, we could establish a pattern and know for certain.
Probably should've asked your permission first, but I linked your post over at The Allspark as well to help the discussion.
Guess I'll take my hip apart again and look at that ratchet, that hip ratchet was seriously tight, I had to break out a power screwdriver and a "real" one to get it to budge.
With these figures becoming more and more complicated due to higher parts counts , these factory workers are in a mad rush to get these guys out ASAP , in turn destroying there own products . Somethings gotta change . There’s to much money involved to be getting broken figures right outta the box.
I'm also going to echo Jarrod here, that if this indeed the cause of the breaks, then anybody treating their currently intact Megatrons with kid gloves should be able to relax. This is a mechanical break, not a material fatigue issue. The break will happen immediately, and not as a matter of wear and tear.
As usual TT hasn't learned anything from Dinobot.
Make them in Japan again?
Holy misassembly, Batman!
Excellent work on detailing this, indeed. Thank you. This information will be indispensable. Nice to be able to approach the 9000th post on here on a high note.
This will be extremely helpful, particularly to those who can't or have no desire to try to exchange a figure with a damaged crotch. Those able to properly realign the ratchet piece after disassembly should hopefully have no further worries. Gluing of the cracked/broken crotch pieces should allow them to remain together with undue pressure now alleviated from it. This makes the figure salvageable.
well, i'm glad you're ok, but that feels little tmi...
I checked the two crotches, too. No cracks so far as well. Still good to be careful
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