More Than Meets the Eye #20 Discussion

Discussion in 'Transformers Comics Discussion' started by Tim Formas, Aug 27, 2013.

  1. AdyCarter

    AdyCarter Mentalist Conspiracies

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    "Load bearing" in reference to a joint/wall/whatever is a commonly used phrase implying the strength of a joint, so wasn't picked out of anywhere.

    Im not entirely sure what you're getting at with the rest of the things, over than the fact writers often mention things that are explored later? I think most of what you're referencing are lines from the end of Revelations where Jetfire is monitoring future Cybertron/Gorlam Prime and referencing things that happen at some point?
     
  2. Knightdramon

    Knightdramon Hasbro LIES to the US

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    People are still going on about McCarthy?

    I believe the problem lies more with the editorial responsibility and what IDW asks of you. If IDW asked for a soft reboot, then it makes sense not to introduce past elements in order not to confuse new readers.

    And AHM kept in continuity. Even from issue 2 there's hints and tidbits about the Machination being charged with all related TF appearances as a terrorist group. Bam, continuity from issue 2.

    If anything, minor discrepancies should be attributed to Furman and the horrendous Maximum Dinobots. AHM issues relating to Hunter and Sunstreaker came out before that, he couldn't find a way to reverse some scenes?

    Or even better, couldn't the editor ring either of them up and say "hey this is a conflicting plot point, one of you has to change it"?

    It's not rocket science, it's a single continuity with TWO writers at the time.

    Were most of you reading the comics back in Furman's run? Because for one, we were promised absolute carnage and mayhem in Devastation. Sixshot managed to rip off Jazz's arm in six issues. Overlord did more carnage in the first 2 pages of LSOTW. Black Shadow did more carnage in the four introductory panels in MTMTE7.
     
  3. Digilaut

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    Has this been brought up yet?

    I was listening to the Underbase review of this issue, and it's mentioned that the ship in the background on Constancy has a symbol that might represent somebody.

    So I opened the issue to take a look myself...I think it's a nod to Botcon Banzaitron.

    Thought it might be Tidal Wave at first, or maybe just coincidence, but even though not all details match up, the general shape of the ship is the same as Banzaitron, has dual cannons on top and is black with a purple rim.

    File:Timelinestoy-BanzaiTronWoH.jpg - Transformers Wiki

    Sorry I've it's already been brought up.



    edit: Josh told me on Twitter he did base the color scheme on Botcon Banzaitron. Nice homage!
     
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  4. WilyMech

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    Man I wish I lived area that has decent bot.com or comic convention. I have plans for the day of the comic book convention
     
  5. Infosaur

    Infosaur Ancient Cybertronian

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    Stand back: I've got two hands again!

    So how many "Autobot special forces" are there now? Dinobots, Wreckers, Aeiralbots, Diplomatic Corp, etc. I still don't know what's the deal with the Monsterbots. And do the Dinobots (Dynobots, Lightning Strike Coalition, etc.) pre-date the formation of the Wreckers? Are the Wreckers "Dinobots done right"?

    (Does this make the Dinobots, "Monsterbots done right"?)

    The mind, it boggles.

    I totally see Jazz as a John Clark/CIA - Sam Fisher/Splinter Cell deep cover operative. (But he looks like he's taken up retirement at Blurr's bar,,, or HAS he?) While Prowl's a straight up desk jockey-chess player.

    It totally makes sense for Optimus to order Prowl to make Jazz a co-leader because left to his own devices, Prowl can be dangerous.

    Just throwing this out here, What if Brainstorm's case opened and Tyrest only THINKS he's won? Issue #21 opens with the LL crew standing around Tyrest's body with his head sucked into the briefcase, repeating his song from the last page of #20 ("You've won Tyrest, come home) and Rodimus looking at Brainstorm like, "well,,, that was easy".

    Cause that's the kinda wacky stuff I come up with!

    You want really crazy? Give Whirl a Greatsword.

    Suddenly I suspect Cyclonus isn't looking for Tailgate, something's up with that cat.

    Dai Atlas? Not made of "Sterner Stuff".

    Love the teaser cover for #21. Whirl looks all kinds of nasty. (if you haven't seen it, imagine Whirl crossed with Arnold Schwarzenegger in Terminator, body half blown up and looking to break shit?) Gotta try to get that cover!
     
  6. SMOG

    SMOG Vocabchampion ArgueTitan

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    I know, right?

    Obviously Transformers has always tended to break their products down into gimmicky "teams"... though I'm not sure if I'd call the Aerialbots "special forces" per se.

    I think that there's obviously a division of the Autobots that's designated for special ops and intelligence... Jazz would most certainly fit in there. Prowl seems to have set up his own shadow unit within (and outside of) the normal structures... a "special section" of sorts.

    The Dinobots are clearly more of a commando team. The Wreckers too, though their disposable "suicide squad" identity is somewhat complicated by their fame (with Ironfist being a fanboy even). And obviously, both the Dinobots and Wreckers are still beholden to the "rules" (which is why Impactor got tossed into G9). I doubt the Diplomatic Corps is so accountable.

    Based on what little we know about the Monsterbots from Maximum Dinobots, they're more like independent contractors, an Autobot "Blackwater", with the reputation to match.

    Remember that Prowl does have field experience. But yeah, he's definitely the guy who prefers to dirty his hands from behind the scenes. I likened him in another thread recently to Neil Burnside, but nobody got the reference. Apparently Transformers fans and The Sandbaggers are two cult fandoms that don't really overlap much. :lol 

    The crazier thing is that I could actually see that happening. Like really. :) 


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  7. tbx76

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    I'm just wondering if Swerve's description of the quest in issue 2 turns out to be the focus of season 2:

    "We've got to find the 12 fragments of the primal key, unlock the infinity gate, travel sideways in time, defeat the agents of chaos, and restore order to the multiverse."

    Heck, maybe the lost light will end up with Turmoil's ship and really go sideways in time.
     
  8. Burningsirius

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    Yeah the editor was mostly to blame. If you ever read his comments about continuity, you will get angry lol.
     
  9. General Magnus

    General Magnus Da Custodes of the Emprah

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    In KOTOR II they said the Jedi were purged and yet, you could still find decent number of them during your quest.
     
  10. FantomLibrarian

    FantomLibrarian Iaconian Data Coordinator

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    My thoughts on the whole Autobot Command Structure:

    High Command:
    Optimus Prime (Commander-in-Chief)
    Ultra Magnus (Duly Appointed Enforcer of the Tyrest Accord) - in lieu of Tyrest Himself
    Xaaron (Legislative Head, Tyrest-appointed overseer of Kimia Weapons Manufacture)
    Prowl (Head of Operations)
    Jazz (Military Operations Commander)
    Jetfire (Scientific Operations)
    Nightbeat (Internal Investigations) - DEAD
    Bumblebee (Commander-in-name-only)
    Perceptor (Logistics)
    Blaster (Communications) - Unsure whether he retains position after Spotlight: Blaster
    Wheeljack (Military R&D)

    Special Operations:
    Impactor/Springer/Kup (Wreckers Commander) - Wet Ops [Marines]
    Grimlock (Dynobot Commander) - Lightning Strike Coalition [Special Forces]
    Jazz - Black Ops Specialist [CIA]
    Silverbolt (Aerialbot Commander) - Air Corps. [Air Force]
    Prowl - Head of the Diplomatic Corps. [UN Peacekeeping Forces]
    Xaaron - Nominal Head of Kimia Facility [Civilian Contractor Overseer] <?>
    Jetfire/Technobots/Pretenders - Theoretical Science Division

    Notes:
    Prowl's Diplomatic Corps. is a front for potential wetworks CIA-esque sabotage. Black Ops are secret missions designated by High Command for the war effort that require stealth and are occasionally "dirty" but are officially sanctioned. Prowl's Diplomatic Corps. is officially unsanctioned and acts in total secrecy. High Command has plausible deniability on Diplomatic Corps. ops.

    The Monsterbots are mavericks and are not officially sanctioned by High Command.
     
  11. WilyMech

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    I get feeling Prowl kind of stepping his boundaries. I do not think Jazz is Military Operations boss that will go to Ironhide someone more militaristic.

    Prowl is Black Ops of Military branch
    Jazz is intelligence head like CIA MI6 or KGB all the acronyms groups that are spies.

    It is worth a thought though.
     
  12. FantomLibrarian

    FantomLibrarian Iaconian Data Coordinator

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    Historically, Jazz has been Special Operations and Optimus Prime's right-hand man. In the G1 show he was always the one that selected Autobots for missions and gathered teams together for attacks. It isn't that much of a stretch...
     
  13. WilyMech

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    no it is not....^
     
  14. Burningsirius

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    I am going to posit this, that the original Ultra Magnus might be revived during Dark Cybertron. We will see however. Starscream is revived (if he died from the killswitch) so I hope that we get to see some more original Ultra Magnus City Commander action.
     
  15. Impactor1106

    Impactor1106 WRECKER

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    I'm guessing we will see some resurrections for sure. My money is on Nightbeat returning to that land of the living. He was a pretty important player in JR Eugenis novel and he has gotten some exposure in the Orion Pax and Thundercracker spotlights.
     
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    Don't forget that apperently he's getting a Generations figure so he's probably coming with a Dark Cybertron issue. A perfect time to bring him in.
     
  17. FantomLibrarian

    FantomLibrarian Iaconian Data Coordinator

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    Where did Nightbeat's body go? He was shot by Hardhead but his body never shows up in subsequent Gorlam Prime appearances...
     
  18. Burningsirius

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    Luckily Hardhead and Jiaxus were on Gorlam Prime so any of them could of snatched up his body.
     
  19. Scaldron

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    I'm game for Nightbeat coming back (though Burningsirius does raise a point, if Jhiaxus ended up stashing his body somewhere). Didn't really like how things ended for him. Hopefully the resurrections are few, though. Maybe snatch Kup from the Dead Universe and keep it at that.

    I'm pretty sure the killswitch will either just be stopped in time or it'll kill some nonentities but not anyone major (basically everyone we saw affected this issue!). There'll be no revivals from the killswitch 'cause there'll be no real deaths.
     
  20. Dark Magnus

    Dark Magnus Your opinion is wrong!

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