More Ebay rules and changes

Discussion in 'Transformers On Ebay' started by Da_Last_2_Walk, Aug 20, 2008.

  1. PrimulArchangel

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    ATTENTION!! all Ebay sellers. Please read.

    I dont know how many of you got this email from ebay yesterday BUT ebay is at it again. The sellers are getting screwed once more. So the email starts out nice
    "Your upfront cost of selling on eBay is about to be dramatically reduced once again!"

    Then it goes on to say

    "Starting April 19, Standard Auction-style fees will be changing. You'll be able to list FREE at any start price--up to 50 items a month. Plus you can add the Buy It Now option FREE to grab those buyers who don't want to wait for your listing to end. In short, you can now list even your higher priced items free--pay only if it sells."

    Sounds great right ? 50 FREE auctions every month from now on!!. Im thinking very cool ebay , it's about time you helped out the little guy..
    BUT THEN i read the second paragraph and thats where the kick in the balls comes in.. It says ,

    "Also, we know online buyers pay attention to shipping costs when deciding what and where to buy. That's why, to encourage low-cost shipping, Final Value Fees for all sellers will be applied to the total amount of the sale, including shipping. Just keep your shipping costs low to get the lowest overall fees"

    WTF!!! Now they are going to take fees from our shipping costs as well !! Take fees away from one thing only to add it to something else ?? I love the part where they say it is to encourage low cost shipping. They are so F**king full of S**t . They finally noticed the sellers that make there money off the shipping costs is what happened. So i blame those sellers as well as ebay for this crap now. All those sellers you see selling stuff for 99 cents buy it now with 45$ shipping are to blame along with the ones that over charge on shipping .. BUT instead of making a program or somethig to stop these people from over charging they take the easy way out and bend all the sellers over and give it to them hard.

    It almost seems ilegal for them to this, almost like double dipping into a persons wallet. Shipping to places overseas is going to have to stop for people like myself because i wont be able to add in the difference they take out in fees. Ebay already takes fees from final cost, paypal (they own paypal) and now they will be taking fees from your shipping costs when its combined with your final value. You can not really add in the difference to make up for it cause the more you add the more they take. They have you bent over a barrel now.

    I would love to start a pitition to give to ebay to try and stop this. I posted this over on ebays forums and people are outraged over this news. So im posting it over here as well because i know there are a lot of sellers here. Im just getting the word out on this so people know becaue i know a lot of people dont get the ebay emails or they got to there spam folders.

    What do you think we can do about this ? Think a pitition would help ? Any ideas ?

    It's just messed up....... Thanks ebay :gen069: 
     
  2. MegaMoonMan

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    What do you expect? This is what too many people screwing the system leads to.

    Seems like a fine idea to me, they should have done that from the start.
     
  3. PrimulArchangel

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    So you are fine with them taking more money from you ? I know im not, they could have done something else to stop the over charging, they just took the easier more profitable way out. I know my days of selling are pretty much over with on ebay unless i really need the money.
     
  4. MegaMoonMan

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    Such as? I know I can't think of another way to keep people from evading fees by abusing the shipping costs.

    Include all costs under the same fees and it won't make any sense to do anymore.
     
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    Getting upset about it will not change anything. They always find ways to make more fees, and you can either adapt or leave. They don't care about boycotts, petitions, or threats. It is their sandbox, so they get to make the rules. I am not happy about it either, but it is what it is. Let's face it, so many people were abusing the system with their $5 Buy It Nows with $75 shipping for a one pound package that you knew they would only tolerate the fee avoidance forever.

    From Ebay's prospective what would be cheaper...hiring a hundred people to filter through the thousands of listings where people do the bogus shipping costs, or have a programmer spend 5 minutes to write some simple code to calculate the fees on the total sale? If I were in charge there, I know which solution I would choose.

    I have done quite a bit of studying on this new system and the conclusion I have reached is that if you sell heavy items with low values, you are going to take a beating under this new system. If you sell lightweight items, it is not going to be a huge impact. If you are selling $10 bowling balls, you might want to rethink your Ebay strategy (as in not selling there anymore), but I think most of the toy sellers will be ok. Many of my items have shipping of $5 or less, so between the 1% drop on the final value fee and the 11% shipping fee, I am looking at around a 30 to 50 cent additional fee per item. It sucks, but its not a deal breaker.

    Under original rules:
    $20 item $5 shipping=$2.40 fee

    Under new rules:
    $20 item + $5 shipping=$2.75 fee

    Of course, there are plenty of people who want sellers to get upset and quit selling on Ebay. As a few other sellers have mentioned to me. "I can't wait for people to fly of the handle and quit selling here....that means less competition for me".
     
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    Start using iOffer.com instead of eBay. It's a flat 10% fee, which isn't much better. I've bought from iOffer several times now without a problem.
     
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    60 cent difference may not seem like alot but that will add up if you sell a lot in that period. I cant not afford to have that. For those of us that are out of work like myself and only sell on ebay when they offer the free listings because i wont have to pay insertion fees, for them to take that extra 60 cents will hurt.

    They dont have to go and hire people to check auctions. Hire that programmer to write a program , Im sure its totally possible to put a program into place to stop over charging on shipping. I know they can because when i tried to sell a dvd on there once and wanted to use the flat rate small box shipping of 5$ and change, there system told me i could not charge over 4$ for a dvd. So do something like that for other things or by the weight of a package or something. It wont stop people completely from over charging but it will stop most of them..
    There are other ways they could have taken care of this instead of pretending they are giving us this nice deal only to go and add the fees to something else. I feel that those of use that are fine with this now will be hurt by it soon or later too.
    I will still sell on ebay when im desperate for cash but i will sell very very few things and nothing to overseas. I will just join more toy forums with sale threads to sell my things.
     
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    It is what it is.

    People complain that ebay is taking too much of their money. Well stop using ebay then. ;)  Then they complain that the other sites don't have enough traffic to warrant being used. It's obvious people want their cake and eat it too. :rolleyes2 

    I personally have no problems with what eBay did except what they did to the Power Seller discount and how the Top Seller discount doesn't apply to the shipping fee portion that they take away. Maybe this will be the wake up call for people to start using sites like Ebid.net

    Yes ...


    I've used it and it works and the fees are more reasonable than eBay. We'll have to see how mcax.com will pan out but from what I can tell they still need some work. They should already have a decent base of viewers if you want to buy or sell GI Joe or TFs but beyond that we'll have to see.
     
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    I'm done with e-bay they can kiss my ass!
     
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    Exactly! This new system will eliminate it completely. Like I said, it's not an ideal system, but definitely levels the playing field back out.

    Who are people going to buy from...the sellers selling something for $5 with $80 shipping who are only paying $2.40 in fees so they can sell cheaper or the guy playing by the rules who has to sell his item for $95 plus $5 shipping who is going to pay $12 in fees. Both sellers get the same final amount but buyers choose the guy doing fee avoidance because his total price is cheaper. So the sellers who play by the rules get screwed. And its not like these are isolated incidents. This fee avoidance stuff happens all the time on Ebay.

    I am not trying to argue with you or diminish the fact that this new program is not exactly great, but given the circumstances, Ebay really had little choice. People were basicly using Ebay as a near free service to sell expensive items, and Ebay was getting nothing from it. I know very few businesses that are willing to operate under those premises.

    The bottom line is that buyers are going to pay the price as sellers are just going to pass these costs on.

    Your only real choice as a seller is to figure out a way to sell on Ebay and still be profitable, or find another venue to sell at, because Ebay is not going to change.
     
  12. Rotorstorm

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    Right, I guess Lugnut was the first and last thing i intend to list on ebay then.

    Selling on the boards or on more specialist auction sites sounds like a better plan, I look forward to Kapow Auctions when it arrives so that i don't have to worry selling with these fees.
     
  13. wolfe

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    I worry about finding customers elsewhere. It still is pretty hard to sell for fair value.
     
  14. Fishdirt

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    Well looks like people will sell less internationally. If you sell at a BIN price you're going to lose money on foreign sales. An example, anything up to 4 pounds costs 22 dollars to ship to sweden (oddly the USPS site says 14 but not so since you can only ship there priority).
     
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    Unfortunately, this is true. Trying to ship via EMS for international packages to protect both the buyer and seller would mean paying a fee on a minimum $30 dollars worth of shipping. That sucks for everyone.
     
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    According to what I was reading on the eBay forums, the fee calculation for international orders is based on the cheapest domestic option. So if you offered free domestic shipping, the fee would still be zero for international orders. Of course international customers would still have to pay the full price for shipping.
     
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    that is interesting. You happen to still have that link? I'd like to read up on that. I find it funny that it's all based upon domestic shipping. With USPS constantly threatening to raise rates and eBay having their "own" insurance and discounts with UPS I sorta see them pushing for sellers to send via UPS as well.
     
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    I'd rather see that written on ebay's official policy and not second hand forum rumors. From what I understand that's not the case. Unless they changed it in the last 24 hours.
     
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    Well, yes, there was quite a bit of confusion. I got my information from the eBay reps that were answering questions related to the policy changes. I was directed to a link (can't find it atm).

    Any way you shake it, this is a bad way to do business. Sure, this is eBay's sandlot, but I think people are more upset with the way they are doing. Ebay apparently thinks we are all idiots. They have been trying to sell these policy changes as positive things for the buyers. That's the worst part. Could not be further from the truth.

    EDIT:

    From [email protected]

    "We wanted to provide some additional clarity on how Final Value Fees will be calculated and more specifically around how Final Value Fees will be calculated for 1-day and International shipping.

    How will the Final Value Fees on total amount of the sale work?
    The Final Value Fee will now be charged on the total that the buyer paid at checkout less any sales tax ā€” except if the buyer selects 1-day or International shipping.
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    How will the Final Value Fee be charged if the buyer selects 1-day shipping?
    If a 1-day service is selected by the buyer, the least expensive of either the 1-day service or the first domestic shipping service offered other than 1-day will be used to calculate Final Value Fees.

    How will the Final Value Fee be charged if the buyer selects International shipping?
    If an International service is selected by the buyer the least expensive of either the International service or the first domestic shipping service offered other than 1-day will be used to calculate Final Value Fees.

    Example 1:
    1st Economy shipping: Free shipping
    2nd Expedited shipping: $5
    3rd 1-day shipping: $15

    Your buyer selects 1-day shipping. In this case, even though your buyer chose the more expensive 1-day option for $15, your Final Value Fees will be calculated on Free shipping.

    Example 2:
    1st Economy shipping: Free shipping
    2nd Expedited shipping: $5
    3rd International shipping: $30

    Your buyer selects International shipping. In this case, even though your buyer chose International shipping for $30, the least expensive first domestic shipping service offered will be used to calculate Final Value Fees. Your Final Value Fees will be calculated on Free shipping."
     
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    asinine is the word that comes to mind