MMC OX Assaultus

Discussion in 'Transformers 3rd Party Discussion' started by Devastator21, Sep 30, 2017.

  1. Zherneboh

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    Yes, this is how I see him(them?) in my childman's eye.Thus I will be pairing him with legends figures!
     
  2. edgecrusher

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    That's why we don't use the cartoon as a reference for scale. It's too inconsistent. Multiple scenes in the same episode, multiple frames in the same scene even, will vary wildly.
     
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    @edgecrusher What are your thoughts on this Vortex now that you have it in hands?
     
  4. edgecrusher

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    I'm in no hurry so he's still MISB. Haven't decided what to do with him yet. Waiting to see how the material fares over time as more people get him in and start using him. If breakages become more common, he's unfortunately not going to be a sufficient replacement for UT's Vortex, and will depart. If he's solid and the breakages are a one-off type of thing, he may end up replacing the UT one. Since it's not a critical piece for the collection, keeping it MISB as a placeholder also buys time until XTB or FT eventually announce theirs.
     
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  5. David Hingtgen

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    I don't recall a G1 crossover with My Little Pony---what's up with the second pic?
     
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    wondered if anyone would notice fuck knows whats going on there :lol 
     
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    Impetus has arrived!!!!

    Sadly I cant open him till I get back home from Chicago on Tuesday
     
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    Watching Peaugh's review. I can't get over how... unpainted he feels. Especially compared to other Ocular Max figures who usually don't quite suffer from MMC's usual "But do we need paint" habit. I love the engineering, but I hate how plain he looks because of the lack of paint applications.
     
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    Well taking that into scale a truck is bigger than about 4 jets. So who’s lying really?
     
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    lordcryotek No more acupuncture!

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    Just got this guy in and took him from alt to arm to bot. Not the most fun transformation due to the tolerances feeling a bit scary, but he's dope as hell in bot mode.
     
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    So my biggest complaint with him so far is an odd niggling one - namely, there’s ALMOST but not quite enough space/clearance inside the tail to store the gun in altmode.

    Good toy.
     
  12. edgs2099

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    Man, once I got the backpack-flipdown thing understood, it's beautiful. It's in my top 3 for the year at this point.
     
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  13. LazyAza

    LazyAza Ehhhhh

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    Then what do we reference? because their sure doesn't seem to be a universally agreed on answer at all.

    I've never been able to make sense of why so many people think one interpretation is so much more valid than another. As if their is some irrefutable argument to be made for any one persons preference when their very clearly is not. MP scaling is always a case of what can be done with any given toy and what are the design goals of that toy. If it compliments this and that other thing then it does, if it doesn't it doesn't and that's that.

    This one wanted to be all inclusive, it wanted to avoid partsforming and so it can not replicate the ludicrous mass shifting of the show. Partsforming is required for that kind of thing. That is why Zeta and FT do it, because they know stretching out toys in to 20 inch gestalts would be a nightmare of impossible engineering. The fact mmc was able to get 18 out of their set is a miracle in of itself.

    I don't know why people can't just accept that. But I especially don't know why anyone thinks this combiner is "chug scale".

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    If he's chug scale then he's the biggest god damn chug combiner of all time. :lol 
     
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    I just got mine in from toy dojo today and it’s great. The only problem on mine is that it has a gnarly stress mark on his right arm, straight from the box. It’s bad enough I might contact my vendor.
     

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    That's precisely why we shouldn't use the cartoon to guide scale for a physical product series. That's why there are scale charts. That's why HasTak created them for the universe, even though the cheaply-animated cartoon failed to live up to them, and why Masterpiece product scale was driven by scaling against a fixed point, in most estimations that is MP-10. Once Takara set the scale with MP-10, everything else flowed from that both 1P and 3P that wished to be part of that line. So there is no muddle, no variance or fluctuation the way there is with the cartoon.

    The rest of you post seems to be some sort of rant about partsforming vs all-inclusive. Scale is a separate issue, at least to me. I respect the desire to do all-in-one. The end result being a bit undersized was also a choice. As far as I can recall, I never said this figure was CHUG scale, though I and many others have noted it sounds like it will be a bit undersized compared to the existing market of Masterpiece scaled combiners from Zeta, Toyworld, and soon Fans Toys. I did say the aesthetic of certain team members has some design elements that I find more related to CHUG than Masterpiece. You might be confusing the aesthetics comments with separate comments related to scale and height.

    Regardless, the comment you quoted was just an observation that the cartoon being so inconsistent is a good reason not to use it as a guide for scale. Every post that includes screenshots from the cartoon furthers that argument because each one has screencaps showing very different scaling, mostly due to rather obvious lazy, low-budget, disinterested work on the part of the animators. Yes, look and wonder at how silly it is. No one in their right mind would use that as a reference point for how one robot should scale with another, unless you're aiming for an Salvador Dali kind of avant-garde representation of Transformers where consistency and reality are purposely called into question rather than reflecting a representation of unified teams of Autobots and Decepticons as they would be had they jumped out of the screen, off the comicbook page, or out of the toybox, 30 years later in our adult mind's eye. Which is what the Masterpiece line is all about.
     
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  16. David Hingtgen

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    I may be darn picky about colors, but I think it's so much better(easier?) than being picky about scale. :D 

    At least the toys and toon were pretty darn consistent in their coloring. Mis-colored toys are darn rare, and mis-colored toon footage is most often "the palette of another character entirely" and clearly a mistake. But the toon often can't be consistent in size for more than a dozen frames in a row.
     
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    I suggest MMC put that part I emboldened on the front of the box of their box set :D 
     
  18. LazyAza

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    Individual toys can be scaled to one and other, like mmc's are to many mps.

    Combiners are a whole different ball game and it is why acknowledging the fundamental nature of how any given set is designed is extremely important and relevant to the entire topic of scaling. One does not exist without effecting the other directly. And criticisms of this aspect of design should always factor this.

    The fact you dismiss this so quickly really underlines exactly what I'm getting at. Your argument, anyone's argument on the gestalt scaling is so logically shallow if you refuse to acknowledge how the overall toy is made to work. These things don't exist separately as individual elements of a combined set. Partsforming = you get 20 inches. No partsforming = you don't get 20 inches.

    How is this being ignored. How are you looking at the biggest factor of why mmc's set is the size it is and saying "eh, irrelevant". Makes no sense.
     
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    I still think the toon is the best source as a guideline for scale. But as a guideline. The exact height of a figure... It will never be accurate. Those arguments of "this should be 1cm taller, that should be a head shorter" ... Is a waste of time tbh. There will never be a correct answer. Period.
     
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  20. edgecrusher

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    MMC chose to restrict themselves to the all-in-one gimmick and if the result is that they can't quite get the product to scale with the rest of the masterpiece gestalts, that's on them. You may see it differently. That's just where we perhaps differ. I don't hold an arbitrary gimmick over having the end product look right on the shelf. And being all-in-one is indeed arbitrary since the G1 toys were partsforming and gestalts in the cartoon often had stuff fly in from off screen or cheated physics when transforming. Again, it's fine if you want to hamstring yourself in the design department but you can't have that cake and eat it too by claiming people are wrong for critiquing the shortcomings adherence to the gimmick seems to have resulted in. (Is it close enough in height? That's up for debate. But hard numbers are hard numbers and it seems it is indeed coming up short. Whether that matters or not, to each their own.)

    You work with MMC, so you in some sense have a vested interest in defending their decision, where I'd like to think I'm looking more objectively at this from the perspective of what's going to look best on a shelf displaying masterpiece gestalts.

    Can they cheat it up to the full masterpiece height with some foot adders? Probably, and if that's all it takes and the rest of it looks proportionally correct with them installed, great. If that's solving the height issue, then since I'm not of a one-track "must be all-in-one" mind, rather I just want whatever gets the best end result on the shelf, I'm theoretically good with that and would consider combining this team and displaying Assaultus (or would if I wasn't already happy with Zeta's Bruticus). But I would imagine platform shoes would completely invalidate the entire purpose of this product in your mind and they might as well have just started from the beginning with allowing partsforming where necessary to ensure the end result is optimal rather than hobbled by artificial constraints.
     
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