Maybe we'd finally be happy if Hasbro stopped making Transformer toys?

Discussion in 'Transformers Toy Discussion' started by Neo Tallgeese, Jun 5, 2014.

  1. Neo Tallgeese

    Neo Tallgeese Well-Known Member

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    Obviously I am in complete disagreement with the title of this thread, but sometimes I can't fully wrap my mind around the degree of "hate" Hasbro is getting.

    Yes - I completely acknowledge that many of the toys now are of a lesser "quality" (size, paint, complexity) than those some years past.

    Yes - I would love to go to Walmart and spend only 9 bucks for a deluxe and 15 for a Voyager. That is certainly not the case for me now.

    I do understand why there is a desire to see things of the past, but how far back do we go? I was one of the people to notice a difference between WFC Optimus Prime and FOC Optimus Prime. Completely obvious, however let's go back even farther. There may have been a drop in quality as we call it, but what about compared to some of the Armada figures, Beast Wars, or even G1.

    Maybe the reason I look at it the way I do is because I grew up and remember a time when you couldn't find Transformer toys on the shelves. Action masters were cool and all, but were certainly what I was looking for in a Transformer. Even Beast Wars to a small degree (when they first came out) left me longing for cars, planes, and trucks that turned into robots.

    I think 3rd party companies make some fantastic stuff, and honestly I wish I could afford them, but I'm in a place right now where I'm just glad that Hasbro is keeping Transformers on the shelves. In reality, they are not producing toys for me, a 32 year old fan of the series who still collects when funds are available. My dollar goes to them, but in many ways, they'll get a few of my dollars regardless. The main thing is that they keep kids and parents wanting their product and as long as that's happening, then hopefully we'll constantly see shelves filled who those Robots in Disguise we all love.
     
  2. Steel

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    I do not Hate Hasbro TF toys.

    However, I am a classic, G! fan and have no interest in movie related product. I guy almost every MP product they release, usually 2 of each.

    I buy the occasional Chug mid or mini sized figure, but the quality is honestly lacking for my taste. When my $15 Skids hip broke straight out of the package, I was very disheartened. Then Swerve arrived and renewed my faith temporarily until I saw Tailgate.

    The only consistency with Hasbro is the varying quality and overall detail of the product. they are cutting costs to appeal to the best demographic for their business model, which is fine and makes sense. It doesn't mean I hate them or the product, but also doesn't mean I plan to buy very much of it.
     
  3. jestermon

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    I never remember Voyagers being under $19.99.
     
  4. Starscream Gaga

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    Tailgate is fantastic though. His design doesn't lend itself as well to the Legends class as Swerve, but he's perfect for a Legends MTMTE retail Taigate. Thanks to both the excellent toy and the excellent MTMTE character he quickly became one of my favourite Transformers ever.

    The reality is that the Transformers fandom are really prone to mass amnesia. Every. Single. Line. Is met with A LOT of complaining and whining and comparisons to why the previous line(s) were so much better until the NEXT line shows up and suddenly THAT is the worst thing that's ever happened and this new line is a personal insult to them compared to the amazing previous line.

    Take Generations Series 1 and Reveal the Shield for example. Fantastic lines that are generally thought of as "perfect", especially in comparison to the alleged "AWFUL" QC of the current Generations line. Back then, I bought a Wheeljack that was missing its left wing that had to be swapped, a Wreck-Gar with a broken handlebar that had to be swapped, a RTS 2-Pack that included both a Rodimus with a broken projectile gun and a Cyclonus which wing snapped during the first transformation and a Grapple with a right leg so loose he couldn't even stand up. Heck, the forum was swamped with people asking for arm trades because so many Scourge's were packaged with the wrong hands. Suddenly however, Generations Series 1 and RTS had far better "QC" then the 30th Generations and Hasbro is so, so much worse then they were back then.

    Every line has its ups and downs and every line has its problems. The Transformers line right now is actually giving us some very strong figures. The majority of the AOE Generations are as good if not better then DOTM and some ROTF, the Generations Legends are pretty much flawless and the Generations Deluxes and Generations Voyagers range from "good" to "perfect", with the majority definitely on the same level and sometimes exceeding the previous Classics, Universe and Generations lines.
     
  5. Matty

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    A well written post friend. I bolded my favorite point of emphasis.

    My two cents: we as a Fandom have become quite entitled and have enjoyed the success of the past 10 years or so of Transformers dominance. Because of that success and the rush of new and older fans joining this community, we voice our opinions (only sometimes are these opinions well constructed IMO).

    Would we be happy if Hasbro stopped making Transformers toys?

    :lol  Let's ask GI Joe fans how happy they are.

    I enjoy going into a store and buying Hasbro Transformers. For $10-15 for a deluxe figure I still feel you get tremendous value out of the product. Sure, third party companies deliver stellar figures as well, but they are not flawless. High cost of entry, months of delay from pre-order to in-hand, and QC issues that do plague a good chunk of third party figures are all reasons why I've all but stopped collecting them.

    Simply put; I'd rather have the ease of going into a store to buy a Hasbro Transformer over anything else.
     
  6. Steel

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    Wreckgar, Tracks and others were nice but it's been a few years on these.

    Springer and Sandstorm were nice, but the ratio of great to average is 50%.

    Tailgate looks terrible IMHO. He could have been better, but that's just one persons opinion.
     
  7. Yggdrasil

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    The problem is not the figures or anything really.

    The problem is that the fandom is made of spoiled little shits that are NEVER happy with anything. Most fans have this imaginary "golden age" in their heads that NEVER HAPPENED and hold everything that comes out of the franchise to that impossible standard.

    Just a few years back you had ONE toyline and that was it either you collected it or you don't do anything for a year or two until it finishes. Now we have tons of different lines for different tastes and somehow the fandom is getting bitchier and bitchier by the day.

    If Transformers vanished from the face of the Earth for maybe 30+ year and came back maybe, just maybe then there will be a few that will actually be happy that Transformers are back...but I bet that majority will still be "HURR IT SUX *insert-line here* WAS SOOOO MUCH BETTER THAT THIS SHIT TRANSFORMERS ARE RUINED!"
     
  8. Steel

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    If Hasbro made more MP's they would have my business. Just clarifying as I have nothing against Hasbro..it's the product content I dislike for the most part.
     
  9. jestermon

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    Hey if you don't want your Tailgate set you can send it my way for free.
     
  10. Vaikyuko

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    I can honestly see some of the whining about reduced size - technically speaking if we were getting prices raised for identical product, people would never shut up about it, but the product is getting smaller, and in the case of certain mainlines, less complex. Is that a problem? Not necessarily, though it does beg the question of at what point there will be a cutoff. I wouldn't like to see deluxes and so on get any smaller as there's a significant size difference as is.

    But that said, I don't understand the utter hatred for Hasbro. People were going insane in the TRU Sunstorm thread because he looks...not exactly identical to the previous one? How would that have been a good thing? Most of the people who own MPs and want Sunstorm already had him, so why would they even care if he looks a different way? Are they sad for people who don't own him? I never did and I think the TRU one looks pretty cool... I just don't get it, really.
     
  11. Aeronnz

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    People go on and on about how people on this website "hate" Hasbro and "hate" their products, but isn't that the reason we are here in the first place?

    I can guarantee you that there are at least twice as many people on here that love Hasbro instead of hating it. It's always a select few that want to make their negative opinions heard.
     
  12. motorthing

    motorthing One of these days.........

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    Doesn't this thread and most of the supporting commentary amount to "I'm ok with it so why shouldn't everyone else be? Gosh, aren't we lucky!"

    Opinions about negativity, "whining" and "the fandom are spoilt little shits" never fails to make me look at the craptastic Tailgate and think.......yes, somehow I've got it all wrong......that isn't a total and utter waste of £14.

    We could all "whine" a bit less about a lot of things in life but a bit like Robin Williams in the bar scene of Goodmorning Vietnam......if you kicked out all the whiners, spoiled brats and "over-entitled Manchildren" TM &C then what would you have left on this board?

    About 5 threads all singing the Everything's Ok song.

    Think about it. Sometimes it's OK to call Hasbro out when they are less than perfect. It really is.

    And yeah, in a line that can produce Cosmos (finally, a line he didn't kill!) and a World that can produce Trashtalk there isn't any excuse for crap like Tailgate. That shit wasn't even phoned in. Have at it!
     
  13. Starscream Gaga

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    What the heck makes Tailgate such a bad figure? Is he perfect? No. Is he as good as Swerve and Cosmos? No. But he's an excellent Legends Figure with good articulation and gets all the cues for the MTMTE character while also keeping it within the Earth theme that Generations has been aiming for.

    But the problem isn't necessarily the complaining because there's nothing really wrong with dicussing problems with the hobby, its part of being passionate within the fandom, especially when the complaints are reasonable and justified. The problem is the incessant, predictable and repeating complaining with every single new line and, as I said, the mass amnesia that occurs when the next line suddenly becomes the worst thing ever and the last becomes the greatest thing ever. Generations 30th and AOE are currently the two worst lines ever and DOTM is suddenly considered a highlight while ROTF and Generations Series 1 and RTS are being treated as the "Golden Years". Come Movie 5 you can say without any doubt that AOE and Generations 30th will be highlights and DOTM will be treated as "Golden Years" and the now current line will be whined about constantly at length for having SO much worse figures and "QC" then the previous lines. It is always is the case.
     
  14. Smashs

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    Yea, the $10D/$15V price point was great. It held all the way through the Prime main line, until BH hit.

    Good post, BTW. :) 
     
  15. Elrodthealbino

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    Well. From a marketing standpoint, G1 lasted for seven years (usa) and then quit for a few years, tried to start up again, kinda failed, then massively rebooted and became a big hit again with Beast Wars. To the original fans it was of course "ruined forever."

    Maybe after this movie they could give it a break. Come back a few years later with a fresh idea like Armada. Say what you will about the Armada aesthetics, but it was a success and sparked the unicron trilogy, which sold a bunch of toys to kids and adults alike.
     
  16. motorthing

    motorthing One of these days.........

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    Hmmmm. Really wouldn't expect to need to articulate reasons to anyone gifted with sight .......

    Poor/ape-like proportions, stupid flames, crap shoulders, SUB-PAR articulation, that spearmint spine/dong and the useless pooper-scoop as a "weapon" that just looks so EPIC sitting on his hood in Alt.

    No, sorry, not epic......fucking ludicrous. That was it.

    Otherwise a Masterpiece in all but name.

    I'm really not in the "I hatze Hasblo!" Club but if we are going to look for positives to outweigh negatives I'd stick to Cosmos and pretend Tailgate happened in 1997 or something.........
     
  17. Starscream Gaga

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    And I'd retort that I'd expected that anyone gifted with a brain would see why he's by no means a bad figure to the point that you imply, especially for a Legends figure.

    You and me must have some VERY different views of what apes look like. Either way, big arms, giant shoulders and small legs is Tailgate's design. Anything else would make him a bad figure. As for "SUB-PAR" articulation, he is a Legends figure and has the exact same amount of articulation as Swerve, Cosmos or any other of the Generations Legends. The Flames, yes, are an odd choice, but are an intentional homage to Prime Tailgate and by no means ruins the figure. The "pooper scooper" weapon (soooo funny btw), just like most of the other Generations figures' accessories is a Micromaster and the third mode is a bomb excavator, an obvious reference to Tailgate's made up history, so there was obvious thought put into the choice. A gun would also be remarkably out of character for Tailgate so a Claw weapon is perfect for the character. As for its awkward look in vehicle mode, that has to be one of the stupidest complaints ever considering it has an alt mode itself and therefore has no need to be plugged into the car. None of the Legends look good with their Micromaster plugged into their vehicle mode. The only flaw that the figure really has that isn't super nit-picky is that I would've liked the backpack to condense a little more on the bottom, although the top half is fine because, as is often the case with the toy, the raised hood is part of Tailgate's design.
     
  18. jestermon

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    NO I wouldn't be happy if they stopped making them I would be happy if they made toys that wouldn't look horrible and not even appeal to children.

    The Legends 2 packs are the best toys out now design and articulation wise for non movie stuff.

    They were poorly distributed by big retailers and still continue to be.

    The snow death plow Tailgate comes with is great especially since he comes in the wave with the Insecticons he can use it as a bug grabber in robot mode or car mode.
     
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    Hasbro is in something of a pickle because Transformers are so trans-generational...to coin a term. The online vitriol spewed between some Bay fans and some G1 fans reaches Star Wars vs. Star Trek levels of absurdity...but this is still within one franchise.

    Part of the problem is that Hasbro is trying to keep several different iterations alive concurrently, which is pretty unique. It's not like every living Dr. Who has his own show competing against the other actors' incarnations.
     
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    um, no