Maybe we were too harsh on Beast Machines

Discussion in 'Transformers General Discussion' started by Quirriff, Jun 12, 2014.

  1. Quirriff

    Quirriff Well-Known Member

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    Sure it lubricated on the previous beast wars continuality, messed up our favourite characters from beast wars. The animation models for the show were hideous (and the toys even more so). But as a stand alone show it wasn't so bad.

    And as a result of our...Anger for the lack of better words to describe it, it's pretty danm hard to find Beast Machine related media legitimately or not so legitimately.
     
  2. Thyme

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    I watched it ... ... because it was a type of Transformers thingy.
     
  3. Wheeljack30

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    I didn't find the story arc very impressive, with the whole Oracle and the virus. The fact that the Maximals arrived on Cybertron with no memory what happened to them and their robot mode. I don't bother watching much of BM
     
  4. Quirriff

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    I found the Tankor/Vector_Sigma story arc pretty interesting though.....
     
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    It seems from my eyes that the general consensus is that the series is pretty good when viewed completely independently of any other media.
     
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    Still have mixed feelings for BM.

    I will always wonder how I would've liked it had it not come after BW, or if it had been entirely seperate from BW. I think for me that was most of the problem- it had BW characters, so I expected BW.

    Some of the designs I really liked, and some were meh. Wasn't a fan of Rattraps design, but loved Silverbolt's robot design.

    Edit: still a dream of having a show accurate BM Silverbolt. Prime Dreadwing is the closet to accurate custom I've seen done as BM SB, but he's kinda too stocky.
     
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  8. Stardust262

    Stardust262 Moe is the Only Way

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    I loved Beast Machines, despite the handling of Beast Wars characters in different ways.
     
  9. MEGATRON2099

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    i never really gave this show a chance lol
     
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    I love Beast Machines almost as much as Beast Wars. I thought most of the criticisms leveled at it were ill-founded.
     
  11. SPLIT LIP

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    It really didn't.

    It actually picked up on continuity most fans had forgotten.

    Nope. It changed them, but then that was the point. I mean hell, Beast Wars changed the characters. Blackarachnia wasn't anything like she was at the beginning compared to how she was in the finale.

    Nope and nope.

    Different =/= hideous. The models are excellently made, and the toys had some really cool design ideas and aesthetics.
     
  12. Coffee

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    I think the first season deserved some of it's flack.

    I've got virtually no problems with the second season onward however.
     
  13. Metroplex79

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    I don't love the show.

    But there were many, many things that the show gave me that I liked.

    It's the only series, where you can cheer on the villain and mean it.

    Versus in BW, I wanted to the Maximals to fix the damage and prevent more damage to my precious G1 timeline.

    This series, you're cheering on Megatron to succeed, because he's not really a "bad" guy....kinda...in a way....ish...
     
  14. Jetstorm

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    It's a cool show... I appreciated it more after the Unicron trilogy of shows '>_>

    Really really hated the designs of the Maximals though... yuck. But then again I've never loved redesigning characters to the point where they look completely different. Like in Beast Wars; the Transmetal upgrades were awesome, they all looked like themselves (except Primal, and even way back then I hated his new look because he didn't look like himself). Some of the Transmetal II upgrades, I never cared for. Blackarachnia and Cheetor didn't look like themselves. Dinobot and Megatron were AWESOME though!

    It's a shame that Beast Machines was so short-lived though and that that was the end of the "G1 continuity".
     
  15. Tresob

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    I remember enjoying it when it was first on. I didn't like the premise, and it's not really in my "fanon," but as one of many TF universes, I dug it.

    My only major complaint was that the cast got claustrophobic...I mean even most of the new characters turned out to be old characters. I think it would have been easier to get into at first if Primal's crew had left Megatron imprisoned on Cybertron to continue their exploration mission, and that a new crew of Maximals had to deal with a Megatron that broke loose.

    But I guess marketing departments require recycling character names that have brand recognition.
     
  16. hthrun

    hthrun Show accuracy's overrated

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    It's kind of funny how a major complaint of the Bay movies I hear is lack of character development. And at the same time, people are complaining that Beast Machines changed the characters TOO much...
     
  17. Galaxy Convoy

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    It changed them too much though. We're talking complete change in personality. Like if you got hit in the head with a brick and when you wake up you're a completely different person.

    Perhaps if they had developed it over time instead of snapping their fingers and making it so in the first ep or 2, things might've been different. Still wouldn't have excused them for Rhinox though. They straight butchered him.
     
  18. Galaxy Convoy

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    TOO much, TOO fast.
     
  19. Rexidus

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    There's a difference between character growth and character rewrites. Growth happens over time and the original character is still visible. Blackarachnia by the end was still a not nice person. Vegeta was still an ass. Blackarachnia in Machines showed very little in common with her former self.
     
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  20. Chris McFeely

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    Yes, it's not that Beast Machines changes the characters over time - it's that it makes the characters' STARTING POINTS entirely different from where they were when we left them in BW. BM is a prominent example of Transformers fiction having characters act in a certain way because that's what the plot called for (we need a leader blinded by his mission, a bitchy second in command who questions him at every turn, a Girl who turns weepy when separated from her man and puts recovering him above all else, and a cowardly tech-expert), rather than because it had any basis in their characterization up to that point.

    And I say that as someone who straight-up loves Beast Machines.