(May Contain Spoiler's) Theory | Megatron & The Time Portal

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  1. Primus Productions

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    Now, I know The Time Portal part does sound a bit confusing. But, Allow me to explain. Now through all my previous theories. I thought, Megatron and Galvatron were separate being's. But now, It's bigger then that. If they truly do introduce the portal I'm suggesting. Then perhaps, Optimus and his team, Went back in time in order to achieve a sacred relic, To revive Cybertron, As JoBlo said, "Optimus Prime return to Cybertron to find the planet dead, and learns he’s the one to blame for it. To bring it back to life he’ll need a mysterious artifact that we hope you’re sitting down is on Earth. The artifact is connected to Merlin, the sorcerer mentor to King Arthur in the legendary story. Merlin gained his magic through a visiting Transformer, not the first time the race has dabbled in altering human history" What would happen, If Megatron from the past, Discovered he perished in the future. And this also include's all the decepticon's whom died in the future. Let's say Optimus and his team return to the present, Because they achieved what they needed. And Megatron followed them through the portal and at that moment on, He worked alongside with the Megatron, Which in the present is Galvatron.

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  2. Galvatross

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    Interesting theory. The main question I have is that if this is true where is Galvatron then? I suppose he and Megatron could be pursuing Prime across space and/or commandeering the Knightship since I seriously doubt Galvatron is one of the vehicles we have seen on set.

    Having said that, I personally suspect Megatron's new robot mode is simply a Knight upgrade in the present day.
     
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  3. soundwaverulls

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    Well, that's one way to fix the issue of each film's new villain stealing Megatron's screen time...
     
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    I had assumed Galvatron followed Prime into space, and the creators reverted him back to (an upgraded) Megatron.
     
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    Maybe. Although I personally suspect that Megatron/Galvatron was once a Knight, and he takes command of the Knights' Temenos, grabs his personal Knight weapon, and upgrades himself into his ancient Knight form before pursuing Prime across space. I also suspect he reacquaints the Temenos with the rest of the Knightship and transforms it into that dragon thing seen in the poster.

    Either one is a possibility.
     
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    Not too sure about the time travel bit. We've had Transformers connected to human events before without time travel. Things can also get a little out of hand once you start messing with the wibbly wobbly timey whimey stuff.

    Although going back to the idea of Prime being the hero of two worlds instead of just going the heck with the home world would be a nice touch.
     
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    here is an issue I have with time travel. With things like a space bridge and it's technology, you already have time travle in these movies. To be able to travle in this manor is still a form of time travle. Yes it's almost instantaneous but it's still effecting time and space. That has to account for something. On another note, if time travle does happen, I hope they play off that and it does screw something up.

    What I mean is I hope something happens that causes events in the next movie or 2 to have to be corrected. Such as a mirror reality or like in the comics (Shattered Glass). Would love to see a time travel event that alters reality and causes us to get a Nemesis Prime or a Wasp as an Evil Bee. And flip it to get a Good Starscream or Soundwave or something lol
     
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    It's an okay theory. Sounds a bit skeevy to me, but then that's time travel.
     
  9. Autobot Burnout

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    Um, when would this have happened? Because 'past' Megatron would have to still be on Cybertron given there's the giant gap of time between him leaving cybertron to follow the cube just to get frostbite in the arctic, and when he wakes up in the first film just to pretty much die that same day?

    Not to mention Megatron has died twice and...honestly in the long run he actually simply resurects in a new body and is far better off than the one time he isn't killed at the end of the film and when we see him after that, he's a dying cripple compared to the mutant potato with one usable arm he used to be. Furthermore, given how he somehow planned for the long term for what goes down in the first three films, to the point his first death didn't change a single thing, the fact is Megatron in the first film has to die or else he wins no matter what...which means Prime dies either through AllSpark suicide or Megatron kills him straight up. Additionally, Sam never gets the AllSpark shard that drives the plot of ROTF basically, assuming he isn't killed in the 'Megatron wins' scenario anyway.

    Which is a problem because without Prime being alive or Sam under AllSpark influence...ROTF can not happen as then The Fallen can never get The Matrix to power the Sun Harvester. And then DOTM can't happen regardless because either Fallen gets the Matrix and blows up the Sun, killing all of humanity and rendering the entire reason Megatron and Sentinel were trying to move Cybertron to Earth's location in the first place invalid, or they DON'T get the Matrix and Sentinel thus can't be revived, rendering the Space Bridge inoperable. And then AoE can't happen because, y'know, Prime's dead and kinda invalidates the entire reason Lockdown is even around, doesn't it?

    Because if Megatron doesn't die, then Prime will die. And if Prime dies...the entire film plotline crumbles. So Megatron always has to die because literally everything - including himself - gets screwed otherwise.

    You mean the Megatron who has been frozen since the last ice age tens of thousands of years ago? Because he can't be bouncing around during the mid-to-late medieval period only seven hundred years ago. Unless you're implying Megatron is from before he ever left to chase the AllSpark, in which case retroactivity applies and thus if the 'past' Megatron does not go back to his own timeline to chase after the Cube (read: is killed before he can do that), then the timeline cancels itself out based on how the first film has the S7 guy state all modern technology was in fact 'reverse engineered' from Megatron.

    And the Decepticons lose the war because of how, officially, Megatron does not go after the cube until the exact moment BB launches it off Cybertron - Megatron ripping out his voicebox being revenge for that act before just rocketing off into deep space. Thus, if 'past' Megatron dies before that point, then Bumblebee never launches the Cube, meaning the Autobots would still have it to win the war AND Cybertron isn't a screwed over ball of space junk. Conversely, the events of the films chonologically only occur up to the little war The Fallen has in ancient Egypt with the other Primes, and while The Ark may crash into the Moon at some point in the late 50s or something, there's no telling how that would play out since no Megatron to reverse engineer would set back technology by an unknown margin, AND without the Decepticons screwing with NASA in the first place (because they were defeated back on Cybertron and wouldn't have any reason to be bumbling about on Earth in the first place given, y'know, Megatron died and the 'Bots never ejected the AllSpark), the only certain thing is events would not exactly happen the same way as they supposedly would with those numerous variables still present.

    That's not time travel, that's simply making a shortcut through physical space. The reason it is a space 'bridge' is because the tech 'bridges' a passage from point A to B through a wormhole or something instead of having to actually cross vast physical space.

    Or in other words it's basically what you do with the gun in Portal on a much, much, much larger scale.

    But crossing between points almost instantaneously doesn't actually constitute time travel - it just means an alternative to going super insanely fast to cover the same distance in the same time. In fact, there is a real world example of this - the Concorde. At regular cruising speed, the trip between Europe and New York would see the plane reaching a velocity greater than the turning speed of the Earth in the opposite direction, meaning even after accounting for time zone differences, the plane would land at JFK one hour earlier than it had taken off on the other side of the Atlantic. Because as far as I understand it, the plane and everyone on it was moving faster than everything else on Earth during that flight was moving against it.

    Space Bridges or teleportation do not cancel out the measure of time on anybody or anything crossing it relative to the start and end points of the journey. It just cuts down on time to move from point A to B in the same sense you would consider any other mode of transportation. The train would get you to your destination faster than if you drove during rush hour, but that doesn't mean it is time travel, you just cross the distance much faster.

    So literally having an evil Bumblebee to the point of them sharing a robot mode and the bad one is insect theme-named, and Nemesis Prime is usually the evil truck alt. mode counterpart to Optimus...which Megatron was in DOTM and they literally say Galvatron was KSI's lousy attempt at duplicating Optimus Prime IIRC - don't count?
     
  10. bellpeppers

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    This stops me from proceeding.
    It has been pretty well established that Cybertron is dead.
    Plus, we even saw it ground up and destroyed... and it was Ratched shooting the pillar while Bumblebee tackled it.

    So how can Optimus 'discover' what we already know, and how can he be to blame when it was more like Bumblebee who did it?

    Ok, so Prime might have ordered it... but again- not a revelation.