Masterpiece V2 Starscream Coming!

Discussion in 'Transformers News and Rumors' started by PoweredConvoy, Jul 5, 2020.

  1. Shin Densetsu

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    The staff has been trying to prevent flamewars over official vs 3p/KO stuff for a while now both here in the news & rumors forum and in the 3p forum. You guys see some posts that stick out but not all of it, a lot of stuff gets removed and if you want to talk about wear…. if it wears on you, you literally haven’t seen the half of it or anything close. You only see remnants(sometimes) of what gets cleaned up. Things shouldn’t be as tribalistic as they’ve become. Threads are not to be a launchpad for flaming. It shouldn’t come down to insults when discussing toys. The designers have thicker skin. Whenever I’ve communicated with Transformers designers I’ve never heard of them really making a big deal out of the complaints. They’re usually more concerned about you leaking something more than anything else.

    With MP-52 specifically, it’s a mass produced toy for collectors, it’s not a living being. Maybe your copy had cracks and the thought of a cheaper KO entices you as a means to source parts from for your own repairs since you’re now well out of the refund/exchange period with the retailer you bought it from. Or maybe you want it because of the issues you’ve read heard about with the official release. I can’t really blame you either way, this stuff isn’t cheap(and I say that as someone who paid $190+ before shipping which is considerably lower than what stores were charging after release).

    If I were Takara, I’d wait to see how the KO MP-52 turns out. If it turns out better, I’d compare what the KO factory did with what Takara’s own factory did. Then, plot twist, hire that factory, because they obviously did something right that the original factory didn’t. This probably sounds a lot easier on paper than it would be in reality, I get that. However this isn’t the 1980’s where internet sales weren’t really a thing. Takara shouldn’t act like this stuff doesn’t exist. When the KO turns out better for cheaper, it’s on Takara to make moves to assure their fans that what they buy is better than a knock off. Uphill battle and costs money but let’s face it, prices have gone up for MP’s in recent years. Would it cost more money to stop the KO factory or would it be less to hire them? Former might only stop them for a limited amount of time, latter may be the same. However if the KO has better quality than the official, then the KO factory workers don’t need additional training, so that wouldn’t be an obstacle. Neither is probably a favorable solution for Takara but with KOs being inevitable, if I were them I’d literally buy out my competition to ensure future runs of MP-52 eliminate the desire for a KO.
     
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  2. Xaxis

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    I thought I’d read/heard somewhere that in some cases it’s the same factory. So, what happens then?
     
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  3. Shin Densetsu

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    That would be weird if that’s proven true for the MP-52 KO and if so, I’m surprised Takara hasn’t had them shut down. If it’s the same factory then that implies that they sabotaged the official run of MP-52. If that’s the case, you can definitely see why Takara probably wouldn’t want to publicly disclose that.

    Now even if it turned out to be true and if Takara switches factories:
    1. It would probably take a while
    2. That still leaves some of us with cracked and/or broken MP-52s. Does Takara make good on exchanging those for inspected and carefully/properly assembled copies afterwards for fans outside of Japan well beyond the refund/exchange period of whichever retailer they bought it from? It would be a big act of goodwill on their part but I don’t expect them to go that far.
    I hope in future uses of the mold that Takara gives us something that the KOs won’t but that remains to be seen. Don’t get me wrong, I like MP-52, it was the 1st G1 MP I bought after a few years and I took the plunge thinking the memories of MP Hound issues were a ghost of the past. And if I didn’t like MP-52, I wouldn’t have even bothered trying to figure out what cracked my copy and ways to address it.
     
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  4. Xaxis

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    Exactly. There are only so many factories that are set up to produce toys like this, and most toy factories also produce other plastic goods. It’s not like there’s a ton of options, so I wouldn’t be surprised if there’s something shady going on beyond simply making counterfeit copies of Takara’s product.
     
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  5. jackisking

    jackisking Yeah, the MP line is soooo dead

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    I also imagine Takara isn' t simply contracting time for MPs on most occasions, they're simply part of whatever they are producing at the time 10,000 of this, 20,000 of that, 15,000 of those, think it's not as simple as finding a good factory versus a good factory that can handle a full order. Just going off of TonTons leaks multiple projects were going on at that factory and maybe more besides the MP and Generations stuff.

    It's also why I asked about the Diaclone stuff as it's pretty expensive and in comparison to MP stuff really expensive for its size but I dont think to my knowledge we see leaks like with the Transformers stuff. If security sucks, it sucks all over,and as tight lipped as they are, that no one never really knows what they're working on till its announced kind of hard to believe they're like " Oh, well" during production. I think some of this isnt just security sucks it's more a risk/ reward thing. The way that workers change over, its probably worth the risk, as there are people willing to pay more than enough money to get their hands early on Transformer stuff.
     
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  6. Cheebs

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    I felt like the world needed another MP3 to MP52 comparison.

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  7. Shin Densetsu

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    Wouldn’t mind a repaint of MP-52 based on MP-3 BUT with a more accurate Strike Eagle grey rather than the turquoise green-grey Kawamori came up with(which I found odd given that he was the one that wanted the grey to be like the dark grey on the Strike Eagle).
     
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  8. divinecomedy

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    They were making the real thing and the KO at the same time, but the workers confused the two and put the KO on Takara's packaging and vice versa ;) 
     
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    This ain’t gonna stop, so we just gonna continue


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    Sweet. I bet I can do something cool with that. Then I'll send you the PS file and give you an idea how post tricks are done.
     
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    Dropbox - MP52edit.psd - Simplify your life

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    The darks needed to be way darker in the original photo. You can fix it by cutting the jet out from the background, then editing the background separately. I used shadow/highlight to iron out most of the luma differences in the background, then just darkened the gamma overall. See the attached PS file for details.
     
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  12. franpincho

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    I love my MP 52. Would not trade it for anything else.

    Would not get anything else on top of it either. The definitive Starscream.
     
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  13. Chris C137

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    Ah thanks. I probably also need to be less reliant on auto settings when taking the picture to give myself a better starting point, but I'll keep playing around with different adjustments afterwards to get better results. I've got a lot to learn though, I had to look up what luma is, I know so little about photography and lighting :p 
     
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    fuck man im sad that this is noticeably taller than starscream because i wouldve been sooo down to cop their eventual tc/sw
     
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    Something something, animation error scaling.
     
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    OK, Clean Up time.

    First off - I do not follow this thread daily. I am unaware of the specific back and forth (or not) that existed before page 633 or so. There have been about 50 posts deleted for drama and flamebait/war and the responses to it.

    Looks like some folks feel targeted by other members. Some folks don't like modding. Some folks seem stressed with community in general. All are valid points of view and are specific to each member.

    Bottom line is this - mod team, up to admins, intend to balance being heavy handed and doing nothing. It's hard. Go one way or the other, someone complains. Sometime we make mistakes. Sometimes one part of team thinks one way, another part another. Sometimes we can talk about that before action is taken, sometimes we talk about it after the fact, for future reference.

    The INTENT of the entire staff is to make the place enjoyable for everyone. All actions come from that place. If you disagree, let us know. If you feel a mod is acting out of line, start a convo with a super mod. If a super mod is out of line, start a convo with an admin. And I am the last link in that chain, so if needed, you can convo me.

    I may not respond immediately or at all, but I will be aware of it and start discussions internally.

    In all, i think this post by Shin earlier in thread is actually on point. Please follow this general guideline in this thread moving forward, and in general for discussions about items that have 3p/official counterparts.

    With that I am reopening this thread. To all those concerned with the staff here - you points were heard, and we will continue discussions internally. That does not mean I agree with anything I read, just that there will be review.

    Carry on, respectfully, please. Thanks.
     
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  17. oku

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    Sold out from amj and 4.5 stars atm.
     
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    Prices have gone up in Japan. Wow. These prices are probably for the sellers that don’t ship internationally

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  19. jackisking

    jackisking Yeah, the MP line is soooo dead

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    It might be crazy with TC and SW over there, some people didn’t want to commit to POs because none had been released yet.
     
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    Yeah come to think of it, I managed to get Starscream at $199.99 from RobotKingdom before the price shot up
     
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