Masterpiece V2 Starscream Coming!

Discussion in 'Transformers News and Rumors' started by PoweredConvoy, Jul 5, 2020.

  1. Shin Densetsu

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    Probably not likely since this would break the sculpt from the front, but would you like it if future versions of this mold are retooled to have thigh swivels with more range? This would necessitate a new thigh piece as the current one is solid from the front and the piece that extends from it to cover the hip ends up blocking inward thigh rotation. If that description isn’t clear, you’ll probably notice the thigh rotation limitation when posing the legs on Starscream and trying to get a better stance out of them.
     
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    Man this thread sucks. Hopefully Thundercracker will have a better experience.
     
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    I know the thigh articulation is a bit limited, but I haven't really found myself wishing it had more range. What I would like is more range for the ankle rocker (side-to-side), which I think might be doable with a re-designed foot.

    I'd also like waist swivel, but I understand that's impossible with the way MP-52 is designed.
     
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    I think that's unfair, dude. You both make valid points and I can empathise with parts of both your arguments, but I don't think Allspice is speaking out of line.

    Should we put our money where our mouth is and support the companies making these amazing products? Yep, for sure. And are people fussier than they rightfully should be? In my opinion, yes. I confess that I do cringe when I hear about people double buying from the likes of Amazon Japan and returning both figures - and time after time, at that. Unless these people have genuinely been spectacularly unlucky, that's the sort of behaviour that jeopardises things. For the record, I have a near 400 figure collection and I've never once returned an item, and only had to source replacement parts a couple of times. I'm not troubled by slight imperfections. I'm not troubled by cracking if something remains functional and aesthetically fine. I do think the race for 'perfection' is often self-defeating as there's no such thing. Folk are just robbing themselves of the joy of the hobby.

    But does that mean we should put up with absolutely anything because to complain is to risk the bottom line and the future of the product? Of course not. You have the right to expect anything you buy to be fit for purpose, and I do not think it's unreasonable that a person whop drops 200+ notes on a toy action figure expects it to be pretty fucking spectacular. These toys should not be breaking through the use they're designed for, certainly.
     
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    So is MP-52 approaching MP-47 level of clusterbleep? I've been reading this thread for the last few weeks and it seems like the issues are pretty widespread. I know there are plenty of people with perfect copies, but it seems like there are a lot of people having QC issues with MP-52, and a pretty large percentage of Youtube reviewers reported some of these issues. In the case of MP-47, mine was (and still is) pretty flawless, yet I totally acknowledge that as a whole MP-47 was a hot mess of a release because of the number of people with problematic copies.
     
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  7. Shin Densetsu

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    Not yet
     
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  8. Dean ML

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    Not 100% sure what you mean, but are you talking about something like this? I wanted his legs in this kind of posture right away but it took me a minute to figure out how. The plate on the butt might to be angled out of the way of the tabs on the backs of the thighs, the thighs pushed back, and the feet put in a toe down position (made tight by the Future I added). I haven’t found his thigh articulation too limited but I was hoping for more from the feet (still - better than MP-11!).

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    No, you see how in the 2nd pic the thighs are swiveled outwards a bit? Notice the extension of the thigh that covers the hip joint. That blocks the thighs from swiveling inwards. That piece hides the thigh swivels from the front and sides. I was asking if people would be down if that piece was retooled to not cover the front and sides of the hips as to free up range of motion for the thigh swivels.
     
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    Not yet, but some people in this thread are really trying hard to make it into a Hound situation. It's nowhere near Hound. Hound is the only TT product I've ever returned for a full refund and not bothered to get a replacement until a confirmed fixed reissue is released. I think the only issue that is somewhat widespread on Starscream are the loose ankles, and on a lot of copies joint tightener seems to work well to fix that. The other issues don't appear to be nearly as widespread. And some issues like the tiny cracks at the base of the tail fins don't appear to be causing full breaks. It's definitely not great and I'm hoping the future releases using this mold don't have that issue, but in my opinion it's something that can be ignored.
     
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    Oh ok. No, that’s not a need for me. I don’t make them go pigeon toed often if ever.
     
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  12. Shin Densetsu

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    I don’t either but I found unhindered thigh swivels would’ve helped with balance and posing when I was posing my copy
     
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    I think a running pose is the only time I have it angled inward & it’s still works ok enough here. Better ankles would’ve been my only articulation nitpick.
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    I agree with everything you said, but I didn’t appreciate his tone too much. My comments were primarily aimed at complaints about hairline cosmetic cracks, and I conceded that “real” issues and breakages are unacceptable, but for that I get called a simp, etc., I just don’t have time for that. The toy should definitely be near perfection, but if he’s saying boycott it over stabilizer cracks, then I’m not on board. Just a different opinion, and I was nice about it.
     
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    I’m sure you hear this all the time, but your pics and ability to pose a figure for maximum expressiveness is top notch.
     
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    Thanks a ton, man! I can only apologize for not having time to take the higher quality shots this dream come true figure deserves (good lighting, clean background), just quick and dirty deskshots for now. This figure’s so photogenic and practically poses himself!
     
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    Trying to hand waive all issues with the figure, explaining Q.C. issues away as "what do you expect when factory workers get closer to a living wage" and implying that if we don't all buy it, then Takara won't sell MP anymore definitely seems thirsty. I don't know if you venture out into 3P forums, but TT collectors get dragged a lot, and as someone that loves 3P and Takara I usually push back on it. They're absolutely right though, some Takara collectors really will argue that we should buy a damaged toy, and thank Takara for it or they won't love us anymore. I'm not saying boycott if over stabilizer cracks, but I am saying I would recommend against buying it because the feet are cracking on a lot of copies and will eventually sheer off, the stabilizer is cracking because they used a rivet instead of a screw to cut costs, and some copies lower arms are showing issues too.

    I purchased two copies from two different retailers and both are showing some of these issues. This isn't another Hound, but it's bad enough that it is completely reasonable to caution collectors against buying this figure. I own 21 Takara MPs and I've only ever returned Hound. Besides Hound and MP-09 I've owned some other real QC stinkers including MP-41 and MP-43, and so far my SS is behind only Hound in terms of quality. Scratch what I said earlier, saying "buy it and live with it or they won't make more" is absolutely simping.
     
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    I’ve preordered a second copy, my curiosity is getting the better of me hahah.
     
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    My copy is still great for those that still care about positive things about MP-52.


    And no I’m not lying. I don’t owe anyone shit.
     
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    Picked V2 up today. Even if it was a hot mess, like some have said, it would still LOOK better that the previous mold. Fortunately, mine is all good! Love it. I'm in for the other two. MORE Deceptions please.
     
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