Masterpiece Ironhide New Images

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  1. Prime135

    Prime135 Jill Rhyme the science Prime

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    Yep, ironhide is most definitely too big. I don't really understand this either, he should be closer to hot rod's height than starscream's, and would fit in both prime and Magnus' trailers much easier if he was smaller.
     
  2. Dean ML

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    Sorry, Max Rawhide, but your post is total fucking bullshit. Bullshit for how you characterize the posters who don't like the figure as being fair, honest, and mature while the guys that love the figure are blind to whatever issues the guys that don't like the figure have complained about and are still complaining about ad nauseum. Not denying that other people have issues with the toy and I've never said he's perfect. I've always said that as long as these things are 80-90% of my ideal then that's good enough for me. TFs are compromised by their nature since the beginning. They'll never be perfect. That's especially true with this line where the source material is all over the place between the cartoon, comics, toys, promo art, etc, and we all have our own ideas of what these things should be.

    I think if you got a critical outsider to look at posts on this forum he/she would say "You're fucking 35 years old. You're all idiots for arguing about expensive toys anonymously behind your computers. You're especially dumb for going to a fan site almost daily and complaining about how you don't like them." I could be wrong, though.
     
  3. Exinferis

    Exinferis Liberate me Ex Inferis!

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    Well, I've had my Ironhide for a few weeks now and I love him so much he's one a handful of MP's I have kept out on display (most of my collection is packed away due to redecoration).

    Yes, I could say he's a mite too tall, but that doesn't bother me much. The chrome doesn't bother me either, it's not like he's covered in it. And yeah, the lack of wing mirrors is a bit weird; I would have liked it if they'd been included like all the other MP cars. The hip flaps are just there, they don't bother me.

    I was more impressed that this huge robot folded out of this seeming tiny mini-van! The engineering in this MP is magnificent, and if the few non-issues above are the trade-off for such engineering, then so be it. Keep it up, I say!

    Incidentally, I've only just seen that size guide in the Shockwave thread. It's very interesting, but it's not the Gospel of Transformers, it's a guide. Ironhide being a few CM taller than in the guide really isn't a problem to me.
     
  4. Prime135

    Prime135 Jill Rhyme the science Prime

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    Also, this!
     
  5. Cracka J

    Cracka J judas in my mind TFW2005 Supporter

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    lol I know we are "civil" and disagree on a lot of points but that is truth.

    there's drama on either side of the coin. I personally disliked all the images and promo material of this guy, but in hand I was blown away and he's one of my favorites. not ashamed to admit I was wrong on both ironhide and magnus and they ended up as some of my favorites.

    still, not going to argue someone who has a different viewpoint and wants a 3P alternative or something. everyone likes different stuff. it's all good.
     
  6. ex dtw2003

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    Well, I think you've got camp 1 pretty much spot on though I'm not sure you've got camp 2 straight. I don't think they straight out calling us wrong but just more incredulous as to why we are so adamant in feeling like we do.
     
  7. ex dtw2003

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    Maybe as wrong as as someone going on just as much and stating how much they love a figure.
     
  8. Sam

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    I've not seen a single post in this thread that resembles this:

    2) collectors who go against this and state that those people are wrong and that this figure is amazing and magnificent without any significant flaws.


    All I've seen is a bunch of people complaining to varying degrees (starting with gentle moaning, to outright trolling), and a few other posters happily praising what they like about the toy.

    Hey, we can co-exist as long as we ignore each other, right? Agree to disagree? Everything's fine until someone starts analysing the two different groups and trying to set them up against each other.


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    The whole reason I painted up that custom Bluestreak was to go alongside an eventual MP Ironhide. Two months later and I'm still reeling from this release, I've barely touched Hot Rod, it's all about MP-27 for me. Favourite MP so far.
     
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  9. Sam

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    Sorry, are we not allowed to do that? Get enjoyment from our hobby? Express that enjoyment? Wow, I must have missed that forum-wide announcement, but that sure does explain a lot lately anyway.

    THANKS FOR CLEARING THAT UP
     
  10. Dean ML

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    Nah. That's kinda the point of a fan site for toys, at least it's more the point than nitpicking and complaining about them daily, y'know?
     
  11. Dean ML

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    That shot right there is the stuff I've dreamed about since 1984 (pretty picture and great running poses, btw). Like you, I definitely prefer Ironhide to Hot Rod. Hot Rod's posability is unbeatable, but Ironhide's finish, transform, and gimmicks/accessories are superior and I feel he captures the essence of the character better. Even though we already have this mold I'm no less excited for Ratchet as I am for Shockwave and Ramjet.
     
  12. Raiyuki

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    I will admit by the scale chart Hide is a bit too big.
    I don't find it an issue tough. Like Magnus he's a big bulky vehicle so it makes sense he'd turn into a big bulky robot (he's noticeably more stumpy in the animation model.)
    Ultimately for me he still looks good and goes fine with the other Autobots (though admittedly he does make Lambor mold figures look puny.) I don't feel he's too underdetailed; that's kind of how Ironhide was and unlike the others his toy and animation model were so vastly different there's not much detail to draw from. Aside from the hip panels, the difficulty for him to hold his guns, and the shitty chrome I think he's a good figure, a Masterpiece, and in no way a departure.
     
  13. SMOG

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    Different priorities is all, dude. For me, the stylistic coherency with the rest of the new MP line (including bot mod scale) is an important detail. I also like a well-built toy. Ironhide delivers on the latter, but stumbles on the former.

    This doesn't bother some people at all, and that's fine... but for others, it's a nagging flaw. In my case, it's because I'm not buying Ironhide becaue I love Ironhide so much, but because I see him as part of a whole (that whole being the 1984 Ark crew)... so how he looks in the group is AS important as how he is as a stand-alone figure.

    Oh boohoo. :p 

    I'm sorry... but this is where you lose me. Somehow, the fact that a discussion between other forum members about what they like, and what they dislike about a $100 collectible bums you out sooooo much that it makes you not even want to do a review that you were excited about? The fact that there are people who don't like the same things you like online robs you of any joy you feel for those things??

    "Oh, all this negativity is SO exhausting, I feel I may faint! I fear for the sanity of future generations! Our fandom is a cancer on the internet!" Come on, man. Get it together. Toughen up.

    Some of us are nerdy toy collectors, either full-stop, or as one small facet of our lives. THE WHOLE ENTIRE PURPOSE OF THIS FORUM is for people like us to come here and take our toys too seriously. That includes likes and dislikes. Deal with it.

    Sometimes that involves unqualified love for a toy, and hours and hours of time spent on gushing praise and toy photography. Sometimes that involves some grumbling and sharing of disappointment over something that didn't hit the mark for all of us.

    Bottom line, if you're coming here to complain about other people not liking, or even having nagging complaints, about this figure... you are lamer than a whole army of complainers combined. Gush, bitch, talk, discuss, debate, share, participate, or just selectively spectate as a lurker. But don't start trying to police people's basic discussions about the toys, on a toy forum of all places.

    Shhhh... Don't tell them about what things are like on the rest of the internet. It may shock them into a catatonic state. :lol 

    No, he called you out for being intolerant of other people talking shit about a toy you like. It's a valid criticism. Toys don't have feelings. People do. Criticizing toys is okay. Criticizing fans for their feelings about toys, not so much. Very simple.

    I think that category #2 definitely has a strong presence... there seems to be those people who NEED to proclaim the unequivocal glory of MP Ironhide just on principle, to utterly deny the possibility that other people might have valid qualms about the figure that they want to discuss. But I think that there are ALSO more moderate people in the forum too, who are capable of being tolerant and objective, while still talking about how much they love this figure. If we can voice our discontent with toy, they can certainly voice their adulation. That's fine.

    I'm mostly offended by the implication that somehow those who have complaints about this figure are more dysfunctional nerds, who have too much time on our hands, and who are poisoning the internet, etc, etc... as opposed to the people who READ this forum compulsively (apparently) and feel the need to bitch about others expressing said opinions.

    And if it seems "incessant", it's because there's a discussion happening... either between those of us who agree, or a debate between those who disagree. The only thing keeping this going is this process of interaction (or defending yourself against personal attacks).

    But as soon as you tell someone on a toy collector forum that they shouldn't talk about toys (for whatever reason), and that carrying on the disucussion somehow makes them "lamer" people than you... you've lost. You are actually the problem, not them.

    Interesting point. I'm mostly just going by eye, and by comparing the general practice and norm throughout the TF media. Most of the time, Ironhide isn't monstrously larger than other Autobot cars.

    Some people look mainly at the figure itself. Others look more at how he fits into the group, aesthetically. It's a different perspective, and it informs how you judge the figure (at least in terms of scale and stylistic aesthetic).

    I must admit, I can't help feeling that if Ironhide had been made an inch shorter, the same people insisting that he's "perfect" now, would still be insisting that he was "perfect". Maybe that's not totally accurate... but I certainly get that feeling.

    So, if that is "fucking bullshit", what would you call the characterization of those who are talking about their issues with the figure as no-life losers who have nothing better to do than rant about toys on the internet...?

    Something like this maybe...? :peoples: 
    By that logic, I would have to imagine that someone going back to the fan site almost daily, mainly so they can attack and complain about the people criticizing their $100 collectible, would be even more idiotic, no?

    No. Both are equally valid here. That's the point. There is no "sunshine and lollipops" rule. These forums are here for us to share our loves and our hates, and everything in between.

    And it's hardly "daily"... not unless there's a conversation going on, or unless you provoke more discussion by taking shots at people so they feel the need to respond. Nobody is logging in every single day, just to complain about a toy. There's a discourse happening. Which is how forums work. You should probably get used to that.

    Here's a simple rule...

    Bitching about toys on toy forums = totally okay
    Bitching about other posters on toy forums = not cool

    So yeah. This is not cool, guys. :( 

    zmog
     
  14. Robotmonkeys

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    Ha ha, a face only a mother can love...or me...or those that appreciate these things for what they are.

    I love this hobby. I'm in the camp that enjoys collecting. I enjoy discussing the aspects of the figures that keep me in the game, that feeds my inner child and nostalgia.

    I consider myself a critical thinker and not blind to the aspects of a figure that, in my minds eye, may have been done differently. I don't dwell on the "could haves" and "should haves", I live in the happiness that a 30 year + old franchise can still do to me, a grown man in his late 30's.

    Come on people, some of the comments I've been reading here lead me to believe that some get pure enjoyment in being negative; I can't see what these fellow collectors get out of collecting toys that they do not like.

    Old Ironhide has been out what almost 2 months, and we're still hearing from the same negative people. Guys, let it go already. Your voice has been heard, your opinions have been recorded for posterity.

    Time to look forward to the future, to the next possible release.
     
  15. Dean ML

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    Great attitude, Robotmonkeys. Right there with you.

    Man, that face in the window is such a clever nod to the G1 toy. Love it.
     
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    Well, a Nissan Vanette is hardly what I'd call a "big bulky vehicle"... but we can at least agree that "bulky and tough" at least suits Ironhide's personality. :) 

    Do we feel the same way about Ratchet though?

    Fair enough. But I don't think that this direction is going to be limited to Ironhide going forward. I suspect we're going to see even more of this hyper-simplified surface approach to MP figures... the attempt to imitate the medium of the cartoon, rather than the general aesthetic.

    To me, that's definitely a big break in the Masterpiece formula up till now. It makes me a lot less excited for guys like Trailbreaker, Sunstreaker, Mirage, etc... I really hope Takara steps back a bit from that extreme.

    zmog
     
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    With respect Dean...you have appreciation threads for that purpose. Reveal threads are meant for DISCUSSION...good, bad, praise, hate. Period. If a moderator turns this into the 'Ironhide appreciation thread', that's the day I'll stop expressing my opinions. Until that day, I will discuss whatever I find interesting whether you or anyone else likes it or not.

    I wish the moderators would just ban any post that doesn't relate to the figure. We spend way too much time talking about eachother on these forums... :redface2: 
     
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    Yes, it's that attention to detail that I love about this line. Almost like an "Easter Egg". I think someone here also mentioned the "Matrix chamber" that's molded into the inner chest piece, I wouldn't have noticed that if it wasn't pointed out.
     
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    ^^ that's a cool little touch TT/Hasbro has been doing lately. Ironhide, MP Tracks, and CW Megatron all have molded little spark chambers like that and I really appreciate that little detail.
     
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    2 months is not a long time in terms of internet posterity. And negative people have just as much goddamn right to talk in this forum as you guys do. Why is that so hard for you to get your head around? We don't get to set limits on how much toy-porn you post, or how much you say "I was just fooling around with this figure, and I love X or Y aspect"... and you don't get to set limits on when someone's allowed to say "hey, this disappointed me". Got it?

    For my part, I haven't set foot in this thread for two months. I just got my MP Ironhide in-hand this week. I had opinions and thoughts about the figure that relate directly to the experience of actually owning the toy and having it in-hand, so I came to the thread devoted to THIS FIGURE and shared them. Some people responded, agreeing or disagreeing. That's how the conversation started up again. So nobody has been coming here daily, or repeatedly ramming their thoughts down anybody's throats. It's all been timely discussion. Reality check.

    But telling others to shut-up already because you're tired of hearing any negative opinion about the figure? Taking the time to compose a message just to shit on other people's freedom to discuss this toy in open terms in the internet thread devoted to discussing this toy? Is that how you spend your time, buddy?

    Fuck man... that's just obnoxious as hell. For someone who supposedly looks for the positive experience in things, that's kind of a rude thing to do. You should really check yourself.

    Let it go already. Your voice has been heard. You being a judgmental pedant has been recorded for posterity. Congratulations.

    zmog
     
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