Haslab Unicron and Zeta Core Star seems a fair example to look at. Pretty clearly different products that had a clearly different and original approach. But given the result, it might also be an argument for hastak to take more queues from third party. Or, who knows? maybe they have demographic research that says their market favors a turtle-ish product. But, I digest. Given TT could essentially repackage any third party product as their own (and probably double the price tag) they essentially have multiple already-designed versions of most characters to pull design queues from. As well as feedback on those designs. why they wouldn’t is beyond me. It seems borderline irresponsible NOT to, while being an appropriately ironic response to KOs and IP infringement. You mention sunsurge, I can’t really tell if TT bites third party designs or not. but if they do, they’re not doing it right.