Lost Light 25: lovely wheels

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  1. Digilaut

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    Yup, both are just as real - something some people couldn’t get their heads around back in S2 either. Quantum duplicates means what once was one gets split into two identical originals - not one original being cloned into a second.

    Thats’s why Lost Light 2 Rewind was just as original as Lost Light 1 Rewind: apart from the 2-5 years history that doesn’t add up with Lost Light 1 Chromedome’s, he’s had (and had been) the guy’s exact same history hundreds of years prior. :) 

    Swerve got hit with the metabomb somewhere during the run of this book, that’s why he sometimes acts aware of being inside a comic book (and why he sometimes does the synopsis).

    You’re right in that Megatron *could* have given away his Star even if he was imprisoned and hooked up to a machine. But Roberts already vaguely confirmed that execution wad the outcome (besides, even without hope of seeing release, would Megatron want to give away his -harmless- Star - the thing that reminds him of the good times, and possibly the only good thing he has left?) :) 

    Your other 50% jumped into a new universe looking for more adventures? :eek: 
     
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  2. Wrecker217

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    we achieved an enjoyable comic book run that ran for seven years.
     
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    Glad we got all this instead of an answer to the question "What did Chromedome remove from Prowl's mind?" or a resolution to the firstborn subplot or further details on the actual origin of the cybertronian species
     
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    Meh. Not a fan of the heavy-handed romance tossed in of course. Romance between Bots just seems...forced. Especially when there's no set foundation for it within the proceeding series. But anyway...

    Mixed feelings on the issue. Though I do have alot of likes, including how Roberts injected previous known material from MtMtE & LL. Basically ended as it started
    with the Lost Light duplicating due to a quantum jump, this time with the second crew surviving
    . Also,
    loved the way Megatron and his fate was addressed in Universe 1, even if I didn't care the the outcome. But I certainly can understand it. And execution was a far more compassionate sentence than what Prowl proposed.

    What bothered me was the way in which
    Rung was treated in the end. While Glad that Swerve at least remembered him apparently no one else DID despite his last plea. While it does seem to be consistent with him being a "vacant space", and with him being deceased the "space" certainly would be forgotten...it is really sad. Talk about "out of sight, out of mind" syndrome. Personally don't see his "children" from Lunar 1 as "creepy" as some may. Apparently Rung wanted to make sure that somehow he was able to go on - through them. And wouldn't you know, they have the same habit of not exactly being noticed as he did....though not to as great as an extent.

    All in all, while not happy with some things I was pleased in the way the writer was consistent in drawing from his earlier MtMtE & LL storylines for this all to come full circle.

    And, hmmm....Prowl still needs a personality adjustment. Doubt some things will ever change.
     
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    If this were so, I guess maybe the same reason why he saw the words at the end of last issue, through Brainstorm's meta bomb thing (can't recall the exact name ATM).
     
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    I don't know. Even from a fly-on-the-wall perspective, I can tell you that love makes people behave in really odd/sappy/unexpectedly sweet ways.

    And Rodimus' line doesn't feel all that off-base considering he and Drift have enough unresolved tension to sink both versions of the Lost Light.
     
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  7. ProtectronPrime

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    I have a monstrous amount of space set aside for my LL crew, which includes quite a few incidental characters like Siren and Rollout. I look at them now and shrug. They're together thematically - and that's all they are now. A bunch of characters tied together by a theme. That theme is this:

    Every one of them lived - and will ultimately die - losers.

    Even in the "good" ending, the crew runs off to the Universal equivalent of Mom's basement. They're the last 5 minutes of Simon Pegg's "The World's End", forever to live adolescent fantasies serving none but themselves because they don't know how to do anything else. All I felt they learned in their sojourn is that they have each other, and really that's it.

    It's sad.

    How many of us have friends who stayed? By that, I mean I've left behind more than a few groups to find new ones. This is what you do to grow as a person - you grow up and if you're lucky as hell, your friends grow and change with you. You find new groups and new experiences to enrich yourselves and each other with. Those are what characters like Ten and Rung represent to me - characters that suddenly UNDERSTOOD, and tried to leave their friends something to grow on when they finally had to go.

    That's not what happened to the LL crew, though. Anything Ten or Rung, or anyone else that "grew up" left for the crew was eschewed. Ignored as a lesson for ears that don't want to hear in favor of the hugs, kisses and embraces of the same two dozen losers that can't stand to see anyone else leave. They've been through hell, all of their own choosing, and that's how they want it to stay - choosing otherwise forces them to fade into nothing.

    To me, the Lost Light's crew will forever be that group of hipster doofuses, skater kids and stoners you left behind in high school, either dying a slow death in their podunk town in a world shrouded by a dull gray pallor or stuck in an insular loop, forever living a childhood while the rest of the Universe neither knows or cares they exist.
     
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    <_< >_>

    You spying on me??

    In all seriousness, The way things are now could turn into a really fun Exiles style comic if handled properly. I doubt it'll happen, though.
     
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    YES.

    ALWAYS.

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  10. Digilaut

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    BassX0 finally gets his wish!!!


    By the way, re: Cyclonus kissing Rodimus: I’m not saying it was perfect, but to be honest: of the things I objected to this issue, this was not one of them.

    This is a guy who is a warrior that was used to holding back his emotions, yet at the same time prone to loudly singing while drunk? Rodimus gave him the chance to stay on board in issue #2 even though he was then complicit in Galvatron’s schemes (and as a long running gag was seen as a Decepticon by every Autobot). Joining the ship changed his life for the (so much) better and caused him to find his partner for life.

    It just felt to me like Cyclonus is passionate like a drunk Italian uncle. Just a bit exuberant or ecsatic.

    Just saying...
     
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    Man, the way Rung was so quickly forgotten broke me. Down to how THEY FORGOT HE WAS EVEN EVER ON THE SHIP.

    Glad he has a legacy of some kind. And that Swerve didn't forget.
     
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    Right in the feels. For all its faults, you know a series did well when it makes you feel sorry for the genocidal maniac. I'll miss this series. I hate that they forgot Rung though; how horrible! Thankfully Swerve seems to remember - thank you metabomb!
    (The 113 references were already annoying but having two in one issue - in the final one, no less - was a real immersion breaker...)
     
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    I want the sadness to go away. I don't want to hurt to think about this series anymore. I was so happy and yet so saddened by this final issue. Such a good issue, and I can't imagine it ending any other way. Very akin to the series in general. But now this thing that i've loved for... about a third of my life (more or less, I'm 23) is over and isn't coming back. This series helped get me through so many depressions and rough times. I will reread it for years to come, and will always love it. Team Rodimus will live on for....well, forever sounds about right.
     
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  14. Omegashark18

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    I suppose that’s one way to look at it.
     
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    "My favorite poem."

    "Thank you."

    Man, remember how Roberts never intended to put Megatron in this book and then he became the best character in it? I can't stress how much I'm gonna miss Warrior Poet Socialist Good Boy Megs after they reboot him back to Snidely Robo-Whiplash tying Arcee to the railroad tracks and laughing at the misfortunes of others.
     
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    I wasn't a fan of Dratchet or Cyclonus' kiss on Rodimus' cheek. l also wish the Scavengers got a bit more panel time, but honestly they seemed to end up the happiest out of all the cast, so it's ok.

    Complaints out of the way, there were some great touching scenes in this issue that I'm thankful for: Ultra Magnus' toast, the reveal that Megatron kept the Rodimus Star, Cyclonus offering Whirl a place to live, Whirl turning down new hands, SIMPATICO... (It's not too out-of-character for Perceptor to throw Brainstorm a bone, come on.)

    As for the ending, I had mixed feelings at first but I like it the more I think about it, letting people have it both ways.

    Love LL and really don't want it to end? Great, the crew is in another universe, going off on untold numbers of adventures that you can imagine and create if you're so inclined.

    Kind of sick of LL at this point and/or want a gritty, realistic, definite ending to everything? Great, the crew has real life catch up to them, living in the knowledge that they've passed the best parts of their lives. Of course a few like Magnus and Nautica do well for themselves, but then you see Rung is forgotten, the Lost Light is decommissioned, no one sees each other anymore, Megatron gets executed, Swerve loses all his bars, Rewind has the Cybertronian equivalent of Alzheimer's, and the one that got me the most, Rodimus is a depressed alcoholic.

    I guess take whatever ending you prefer the most. I liked the quantum idea partially because it was a relief from the depressing s***show the whole issue threw at us of what ended up happening to all these characters we spent seven years keeping up with. I don't like that the two endings seem to promote the idea that moving on with your life=depression and never moving on=happiness, which you could definitely argue is the hilariously untrue message being promoted here. But like, I never read this series to see how to run my life. I picked up this series because I'm a TF fan, and I kept up with it for seven years because I got crazy invested in the stories of these characters. I'm happy that these fictional characters I care so much about simultaneously got a "true" ending and a "happy" ending, and weak areas aside, the entire run has been an unquestionable high point in TF fiction. Besides the quibbles I mentioned at the top, I couldn't be happier with this issue.
     
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    Agree with this so so so soooooo much.
     
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    I wouldn't call much of what they're up against mundane. It might not make for quite as many dynamic comic panels, but by the standards of any normal person, their lives seem pretty eventful - and it looks like they have indeed moved on to new social groups, hence not seeing each other very regularly.

    Every now and then, I think back to this ridiculous moment in my life when I was 18 and about to head off to university, having a last hurrah with a bunch of friends from school. I actually said, "I don't know about all this starting over in another town - I'm happy with the friends I've got here." In retrospect, all the major events of my life happened subsequent to that point, but at the time I, like Rodders and co., wanted to keep doing what I'd been doing for the past few years. Your perspective changes - it doesn't sound to me like any of the characters are close to wanting to jump off buildings. They're different people, reminiscing over a past episode that most of them are well and truly over.

    This is very difficult to pull off, though, because the reader's been time-jumped, and if any of us were jumped to a random episode in our own futures, we'd probably think it was a bit grim and depressing - especially if it was a funeral where we were meeting with old friends.
     
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    I'm honestly glad this is over. When it first started and everyone said it was the best TF comic, I got caught up in the hype too. Then around the end of MTMTE/beginning of Lost Light, it started getting really annoying, imo; super convoluted plots, even for Transformers, tons of 'shock deaths' that honestly didn't matter (Skids' dying was just a shrug to me), the constant, constant snarky dialogue in place of actual characters with personality, and the overuse of the Functionist universe and Pharma and his gang. He didn't need to show up again.

    And Anode and Lug contributed literally nothing. I can't believe it. The first trans TFs and they don't do a THING.
     
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    It WAS the best comic, it wasn't hype. It was truth. ;) 

    But yeah it's a tough ending for how amazing it was to start.

    There is a lot I LIKE about this last arc.

    I go back to my lengthy essay after the first story arc for Lost Light. My chief criticism/frustration was that Anode and Lug took up 1/3 of the page count. A third. Away from the characters we were here for, or characters we knew about and were intrigued by (ROLLER, who could literally have filled the role of 'new POV character' that we already had some investment in)... but outside of being Trans (which I LOVE how was handled) they contributed nothing to the story. They have their fans, but I can't think it's in question that they do not/did not have the impact of a Nautica, Rung, or even Velocity, or the DJD. They took up space that could have been used for other characters and storylines.

    And that is so frustrating.
     
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