Lost Light #1 Cover

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  1. Windsweeper II

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    well it could go either way. I don't particularly wish any bad things to happen to the mutineers cause i think its very understandable why they did what they did even though they could have just started their own quest instead of mounting a mutiny, but i made that comment without mentioning that i have been thinking it would be interesting if the Knights aren't that nice a bunch after all.
     
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  2. Mr Megatron

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    Regardless of how perceptor joined the wreckers he is still a pretty badass fighter. Take a look at LSOTW. Percy's not one to mess around with.
     
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    I really love that cover! Is it the RI cover or just a regular one?
     
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    That doesn't really have much to do with what was being discussed, though? I agree with Starscream Gaga, it would be out of character for Perceptor to mount any sort of counterstrike against Getaway. Him being a "pretty badass fighter" doesn't change that.
     
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    Neither does his point either really. I bring up his involvement in the wreckers because of their no-nonsense attitude. I'm basically saying that he doesn't seem like the kind of guy to let getaway try to kill his friends. And maybe perceptor will lead/join a resistance against him. I really don't understand how that is so "out of character". Besides it's just speculation... For fun.
     
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    First, Getaway didn't try to kill anyone except Megatron. Second, how does his point not have anything to do with what was being discussed? He was showing that Perceptor can be pretty dang cold and shady himself, just like Prowl and Getaway. He made Kup into a puppet for Prowl, and then only worked with the Wreckers to keep an eye on Kup. There was his wanting to sacrifice Impactor to kill all the Decepticons on Garrus-9, too.

    Perceptor is far from "no-nonsense" like the other Wreckers, and I have a hard time seeing him not going along with Getaway's plans.
     
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    First, Getaway and his pals were responsible for Rodimus and friends being stranded on that hollow planet and therefore being attacked by the decepticons and djd (re-read mtmte 50). Second, he was talking about how perceptor joined the wreckers and I was talking about how perceptor acted as a wrecker. Third, He made kup into a puppet because he was ordered to, and he did so unwillingly. Also kup did have a history of going insane and attacking other autobots, so that was probably a wise decision anyway. Fourth, you're talking about killing one to save the whole team. It was either Impactor or Pyro.
     
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    I believe there is, well, more than meets the eye with the mutiny. Getaway and Atomizer shot people with the nudge gun if they didn't say "yes" to a mutiny... Did they do anything if they DID say yes? As has been pointed out on this thread, this seems to go against character for several of the mutineers. I have a strong suspicion that some said yes in order to see how big the mutiny actually was, and that, at some point farther down the line, would make an effort to retake the ship. A "mutiny against a mutiny" if you will. Thunderclash would be the perfect candidate to do ALL of those things, and lead the the counter-mutiny. The guys on the cover to Lost Light #1 are probably just Getaway's entourage. Anyway, that's my theory at least.
     
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    I know this is asinine for a question but how do fans feel about the coloration of Streak? He's going by Bluestreak now but went by Silverstreak in the 2009 ongoing with the silver, red and black coloring. Plus with the mix up in early IDW with both versions showing up at the same time: Bluestreak on Team Bee in the Bumblebee mini and Silverstreak in Rodimus' crew in the 2009 ongoing. Does anyone else feel that IDW should make them separate characters like Bumblebee/Goldbug and Megatron/Galvatron? Cause the new colors for Streak, Red/blue/black, seem like they want to do the diaclone coloring like Fumpub is doing. But it seems off to me personally.
     
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    Bluestreak was my very first Transformer and it drove me nuts (then and now) that the picture on the box showed him in blue and silver and the toy was just silver...which is why I'm getting MP-18B. Anyway, in regards to your comment, they did have Starscream refer to him AS Bluestreak, so I'm guessing that's gonna be the one name... Although there sorta, kinda is a fly in the ointment there; the last TFCC figure was a BLUE Bluestreak figure based on the CW Smokescreen/Prowl/Streetwise mold, and he supposed to be part of a Wrecker combiner called Wreckage. I have no idea if that is in any way at all cannon, but it is a thing.
     
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    Getaway and Atomizer can still go jump off a cliff no matter how justified the mutiny was.
     
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    Getaway is a jerk.
     
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    I never understood why they felt to flip flop with names, but it just shows some folks working on the names don't know some etymology of certain terms or words. Blue streak is normally somebody who is exceptionally chatty can "talk a blue streak." or speak with speed and force of a bolt of lightning. I always assumed Bluestreak was a motormouth. Hence the name.
     
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    Getaway and Atomizer's first plan involved getting Tailgate killed by Megatron out of fear and using that to justify getting rid of him. The fact this failed does not absolve them of that.

    I WANT to say I can't imagine Perceptor being okay with the mutiny, but then again, I wouldn't have expected Hoist Bluestreak or Blaster to agree to it either... and Thunderclash, for crying out loud where is Thunderclash? Him agreeing to this would absolutely conflict with the whole "the model autobot" image IDW crafted for him.
     
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    Agreed, there has to be something more to this.
     
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    Re-read MTMTE #55. Getaway and the others had no idea the DJD would be there; Getaway had made a deal with the Galactic Council to kill Megatron, and only Megatron. He didn't know the Galactic Council would go back on their deal, nor that would they would be employing Overlord.

    So, again, Megatron was the only one Getaway tried to kill with that trip to Necroworld.

    You didn't talk about how Perceptor acted as a Wrecker, though. You just said that he was a badass fighter, which doesn't mean much for why he wouldn't be part of Getaway's coup. Starscream Gaga's whole point was that his reasons for hanging out with the Wreckers showed he can be just as horrible as Getaway, so it would not be very in-character for him to be the one to rebel against Getaway.

    Yeah, he had objections... but he still did it, when he could have easily told Optimus or anyone else in high command of what Prowl wanted him to do. It's not like Prowl had put a gun against his head and locked him in a room with no outside contact. But he didn't, which says a lot, and also shows how he is quite capable of still doing things that go against his personal feelings.

    Also, they already had the cygar to stop Kup from going crazy again. Trying to justify controlling someone's mind like that isn't much different than Getaway's justifications for what he did.

    Just like how Getaway tried to have one Autobot killed to have Megatron finally pay for the millions of deaths he'd already caused?

    I brought that up because it shows that Perceptor isn't like most of the other Wreckers. Pyro willingly sacrificed himself; Perceptor was going to murder another 'bot to save themselves without him having any say in it, something which I honestly doubt Springer or Kup would have been up for even despite their differences with Impactor.

    Also, Starscream Gaga mentioned how Perceptor was on the team to control Kup's mind into sacrificing himself should Ironfist have died before he could. I don't remember where that was stated to be the case, but that's far worse!

    Perceptor's always had quite a bit of shades of gray with how Roche and Roberts have written him. I can totally see him being onboard with everything that Getaway's done, because that fits perfectly with how they've characterized him as this scientist who's so aloof and logic-driven that he can do some not-so-good things, and has had a history of going along with "the ends justify the means" arguments. That didn't change even after he became a sniper and worked with the Wreckers.
     
  19. Starscream Gaga

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    Sockie has already covered my bases with this, but the fact is that IDW Perceptor is simply not a very nice person; he's cold and calculating and morally ambiguous when it suits him. If you re-read the Coda, its pretty clear that Perceptor was not simply doing what he was ordered to do, Prowl was asking him to do something completely against the morality of the Autobots and he could have easily told Optimus Prime or Springer what was going on, instead Prowl convinced him that this was the best option for the Autobots and the dialogue of the comic heavily implies that Perceptor ultimately agrees with why Prowl wanted Kup brainwashed. As for the insanity, this was already dealt with through the cygars, Brainstorm and Perceptors little addition to Kup's psyche was a completely separate thing with Prowl using the insanity treatment as a guise in order to do it without needing to make up excuses for why he was messing around with a fellow Autobots brain.

    And yes, it was a decision of one versus everyone, but Perceptor made the choice and made it fast. While the others discussed and debated Perceptor was just like "blow him up" without any debate. His coldness about one of his team mates needing to commit suicide in order to obtain Aequitas is also pretty notable, even with his half-hearted little "I WOULD do it, but you know I'm needed to work the computer, sorry".

    Regardless, I'm saying its relevant because you were using his involvement with the Wreckers as a reason for why you think he'd he'd uprise against the mutiny. Honestly its probably the worst example you could give for Perceptor, because the reason he was in the Wreckers was so that he could help forcibly sacrifice the life of a fellow comrade for the "greater good". You know, like kicking a bunch of his former comrades of the ship in order to dispose of the Robot who's killcount is over a billion.

    It was a really messed up thing to do, definitely an evil deed, but I think its important to look at the world from the point of view of the rest of the Autobots. The person that they've been at war with for millions of years, who has done acts so evil they're impossible to comprehend and who has cost the lives of billions both Cybertronian and otherwise on top of the insanely exaggerated cruelty he displayed, such as turning Autobots into live bombs or converting other living things into food, is finally captured and put on trial and then gets out on an ancient loophole, changing his sentence to "if these mythical figures that probably don't actually exist are found then they can execute him". Not only that, he becomes the captain of your ship! You now have to answer to him! This genocidal monster has gotten off scot-free, joined your team and you're expected to forgive him because he sort of feels bad about it and he's got some self-loathing going on.

    Honestly I think most are lying to themselves if they say they wouldn't be siding with Getaway here if they were in the same position as the Lost Light crew. Abandoning those that wouldn't uprise against Megatron and organizing Megatron's execution is a pretty empathetic thing to do. I think Getaway's a really great character and I roll my eyes at all the "he's a jerk i hope he dies!" posts because I think its massively missing out on a really good story point that goes against the main characters but is still understandable. That's goes especially for the people who are criticizing all the other mutineers who weren't part of the Tailgate plot because in the same position I'm sure I'd be up there standing next to Blaster and Bluestreak and I think most others would too.
     
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    The Megatron part I totally get. What pisses me off, as I said before, is that he suddenly decided he should be in charge of Rodimus' crew, Rodimus' ship, Rodimus' mission. That's a dick move and couple that with getting Skids killed makes him irredeemable in my eyes. Like, snipe Megatron during the Cybertron trial or spike his drink. Hell, blow his head off in plain sight. Just don't be a self entitled prick, Getaway, because they could have left you at Tyrest's place.