I love this guy but this would’ve been much better imo. So excited for next years Optimus (and hopefully Megs)! I’d like to see a voyager in a year or two that retools this guy to allow for that. Literally wdym? I think Bulkhead is the better of the two but Legacy Arcee is infinitely closer to the source material than Bulkhead. The only thing Prime Bulkhead n Legacy share is head, the wrecking ball, n being green lol. I mean I’m happy that it’s inaccurate cause Legacy Bulkhead is like a thousand times better than Prime but it is in no way closer than Arcee lol.
Same. Agree to disagree? I will say though, Skyquake has his own number of criticisms all his own. Which I actually agree...Never said he was the better figure in terms of accuracy. My only point was that he gets less hate as a figure because people can just take it as something else then a "Prime" Bulkhead. That doesn't work with the Leg-cee figure, outside of the repaints. Prowl, for what faults he does have, pulls it off far better. While not perfect, he actually is closer in design to the TFA character, just not aesthetically. Leg-cee just doesn't have that. She doesn't. I don't know how to come up with new ways to explain that on top of what I'v already said. I already covered this all on the previous page...And above.
Just to add my two cents on the matter, but I think Legacy Bulkhead works because the larger military mode is something we already know he's been, thanks to the Animated incarnation. As the Prime design already heavily borrowed from the Animated design, even though it's not the same alt. mode, it fits the overall character anyway. Prime Arcee, meanwhile, tries to get close to the animation model but has to make so many compromises that it's kind of ridiculous. The biggest offender being that the wheels on the legs are just sitting on the outside of the legs instead of inside them - "wheels inside the robots" being one of the signature design aesthetics for the line since it was on Bumblebee (shoulders) and Breakdown (legs) as well. This is rather egregious since both the First Edition and the Prime Mainline Arcee deluxes nailed this part of the design, but on the Generations version they're just hanging off the sides like no attempt was even made to fit them into the legs.
People would have accepted Bulkhead better if he wasn't meant to be the TFP character and instead just "G1 Bulkhead".
Okay going back I misread your the post I initially responded to. I apologize for that. Regardless, it is more than a vague similarity. She is very clearly an interpretation of the Prime version. It's be like saying TFA Arcee was vaguely like the G1 one.
Actually, that would be correct. While arguably TFA takes a lot of hints from the G1's design, the connection between the two is a vague one. But then TFA arcee was never trying to pass itself off as a new variation of G1, it was it's own thing. Legacy Arcee isn't trying to be it's own thing. It's trying to be an aesthetically re-imagined version of a specific character design, which it only resembles just enough to fail at it.
It is trying to be a new thing. A "G1ified" Arcee. I wouldn't describe it as vague nor would I describe TFA Arcee's connection to G1 as vague.
TFA Megatron is quietly one of the best iterations of a G1 Megatron reinterpretations there is. The colors, the alt-mode, even the character, were top-notch. We forget, but at the time of TFA, it was back to nostalgia. They were mostly OG '84,'85 characters. TFA was full of homage and easter eggs constantly to G1. All this after the Beast Wars designs. And particularly after the Anime-esque UT with Gunply kibble that made the characters look like lionfish. TFA was streamlining to the extreme. Were people complaining that they were "geewunnified" back then? If they were liking the more anime-inspired designs, then I could imagine their lamentations. Anyway, I only wish LegArcee channeled half as much of that character as this does for TFA Prowl. I don't, as a rule, like motorcycle transformers, as they can't scale in any way without being tiny. Prowl looks good enough to make me feel like I'm seven again, and just handwave it away and say "somehow…" in my inner storyboard. Fundamental flaw about Bulkhead's Prime character model. To be an SUV like he was would make him… well… Siege Hound. That is exactly what Siege Hound is. To be the "big guy" necessitates that he's a machine like an armored personnel carrier. I'm with you that it's more of a reinterpretation. His vehicle fits in with the geewunnified Siege line better than Roadbuster did with the original G1 line. And he kind of fills that role for them, too. At least they went so far to explicitly channel his TFA vehicle, rather than just go with an SUV or MRap, which would have been more pure Prime. From now on, to me he's Legacy Prime-But-Really-Rather-More-TFA Bulkhead. Edit to add I agree with this. Mostly. I don't think it's a failure of design. Failure to fully capture the Prime character model? Absolutely. I have grown on the figure. It's not bad on its own. And I like female transformers. But few of them are done well. And G1 Arcee's design never worked for me. I don't think I'm alone in this. For those of us who have kind things to say about LegArcee, we all seem to be in agreement that these are the kindest things we can say.
I guess there's not as much improvement in the bike mode because Hasbro barely ever does bikes We've had.... something like 4 bike molds in the past 2 years, and that's more than we've had in the entire past decade combined
Well at this point we're just arguing semantics. At the end of it all, Legacy Arcee failed at whatever it was trying to do as a design. The best it accomplished was being a set up for a couple marginally decent repaints.
I'd argue it didn't fail. It was trying to be a G1ified version of Prime Arcee and it nails that imo.
Even in that, I'd highly disagree. But then that gets into the whole argument of what exactly is the definitive "G1" aesthetic, which no one really seems to agree on.
It would really be great as a line, eapecially since TFA Blackout didnt get a good sendoff. And Cyclonus would have made for a great leader class figure.
Alright maybe then a better way to put it would be modifying her design to fall in line with the current WFC+ era's aesthetics which borrows heavily from G1 albeit a bit more stylized than the show (or comic for that matter). G1ified is just a simplified way to say that.
