Keeping things sealed/buying multiple copies

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  1. transtrekkie

    transtrekkie On the level.

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    I'm carrying this over from the Asia MP-10 reissue thread:

    I've had a couple responses which... were pretty much what I expected:rolleyes: 

    I guess the thing I'm really wondering here is why anyone would buy something they're not going to use? Keeping a toy in it's box just seems wasteful, both monetarily and resources. I dunno, maybe I'm just getting too practical in my old age, but I just don't see how anyone could actually get enough enjoyment out of something sealed than something that's opened that they can actually use and enjoy.

    Now, I do understand the concept of enjoying a mold of a figure so much that you want to have and enjoy multiple pressings of it. The seekers are a perfect example of that. But even then, you're still enjoying and getting they're intended use from it.

    Also, I'm putting this here because I don't want to limit this to just transformers, but toy collecting in general.
     
  2. Lt. Faceless

    Lt. Faceless I'm a puppet

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    Thats the main reason i don't do it.To much money and space needed.I don't even bother to keep most packages these days.I just want it for the reason i got it,the toy inside. I can see having a loose or MOC collection,but to have both.More time and money then i will ever have.Like stated,i do get to enjoy many other toys lines because of it.
     
  3. NemiMonkey

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    Well for me it's not so much having multiple copies, it's more of having insurance in case I do something stupid and have said toy break. I don't do it often because of how ludicrously expensive that would get and well space is limited, but in certain instances where I really like a figure I'll buy another copy to keep sealed. I just know myself too well and no matter how careful I am and how gently I handle a figure, I may inevitably do something stupid that messes the figure up. I've done it before with paint on figures(that's more due to my germaphobia though). Rather shell out retail now to have a safety net rather than have something happen later only to find the figure goes for ludicrous prices(see on show BW scout figures).

    I've done this a lot with Hot Wheels back when I actively collected. I liked the look of the cars while they are sealed. Plus it's easy as heck to dust and I don't have to worry about messing or chipping the paint. If I wanted a loose version to roll around I could get one easily.

    Lately though I've been looking for sealed versions of figures I had as a kid purely for that nostalgia. I have the figures still, but seeing them on their original cards brings back a lot of memories.

    ~Edit~
    In the extreme cases I like a figure so much I just end up army building them. It's beginning to happen with GDO Brawl and it's happen/happening with the Legends of Cybertron Starscream mold. Yeah I know TF items, but it's what popped in my head immediately since TF's is what I focus mainly collecting wise.
     
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  4. transtrekkie

    transtrekkie On the level.

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    And I'm pretty careful with my toys so sometimes I just buy loose ones since I rarely keep the packaging anyway (unless it's something special like a Botcon set or something). And the space and money thing as well.

    Thank you! That really does help to clarify it. This makes sense, since it sounds like you do wind up eventually opening said figures and enjoying them.
     
  5. EMP Starscream

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    Can I honestly answer: I don't know?

    I just look at them in their packages and I hear them, "Take us out. Play with me. Let me battle my enemies outside the confinement of this tomb."

    But I can't. I don't know why. I used to open them and pose them. Someday the voices will crack me.
     
  6. TerminusTypeR

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    I'll take a stab at this. I've got a fair few repeat molds/characters/MISBs in my collection. (less so of the last thing)

    To start with the MISBs, honestly I'm not a super big MISB guy. However, I do get a secondary copy to keep as such when the toy in question is something I consider super special and important to me. For example, I have a second MISB copy of each of my Pokemon D-arts and Figuarts because Pokemon is my all time favorite series and I've waited for poseable toys forever. It just sort of made sense to me to snag an extra copy to admire all boxed up because it was something I've wanted to exist for so many years of my life. Normally I don't get the appeal of boxed stuff either, but, I can't deny I love seeing them sitting on my desk all nice and sealed in box. Looks fantastic and I gawk and admire 'em all the time. There is definitely some appeal in having that toy I've waited years for to finally come into existance all mint and sealed. I can't really explain it, but it's definitely a thing for me. It also has three added bonuses for me. I can compare the two copies and open the one I prefer for one. That's pretty cool cause sometimes I can be a tad too picky about little issues. As for the second thing, it's kind of nice to have extras as sort of "insurance copies" should I ever break my open ones. And lastly, it just lets me enjoy my open copies more. Thanks to those insurance copies I don't need to worry as much about accidently breaking my "I waited for this to exist since I was in Elementary School" toy and I can just have more fun messing with them. Also it looks nice to have the open copies posed in front of the boxed copies sometimes.

    For multiple copies of open stuff, that's a bit varying. As far as transforming toys I tend to have two main reasons. The first is that some of the non Transformer transforming toys I have are just not perfect. A big example would be my SD Infinity Nirvash. A design flaw leaves its pelvis always split in two to some degree. Thus, I purchased two copies of it. One to transform and mess with and one to glue the pelvis in robot mode so I can have one to pose that always looks nice. My second reason for having multiple copies of some transforming toys is just the flimsy or fiddly feel of some of them. For some toys I'd just rather bite the bullet and have two than deal with a non fun transformation that always feels like the toy is about the break. Just not worth it to me. Especially if the transformation is partsformy and said parts are really, really stupid to swap. Robot Spirits Nirvash, I'm looking at you. (Nirvash does not get good transforming toys...)

    When getting into repaints... Sometimes it's just whim. I like multiple colorways a toy has equally and just spring for both if I can. I have two Zinogre Revoltechs for this reason. Then, sometimes each repaint just has a different meaning (usually sentimental but not limited to it) to me despite being the same character, thus I end up with multiples. And then there's just the issue when my absolute favorite repaint of a toy doesn't at all mesh with the others from that series, so I pick up both that repaint and the standard version. Usually that is for metallic stuff where there's a special metallic version for the main one or two characters/robots but not the supporting cast, and being a sucker for metallic AND having as much of a show cast as a I can...yeah. End up with both versions.

    Then there's just having different forms of a character though I guess that's a bit explanatory. Other than that, I guess my last thing would be having multiple copies of the exact same stage of a character. Usually that's down to a "I like this version better, but, the other company made more of the other characters buuut this nice version doesn't really fit with the other company's extended cast..." deal or a "wow this is a really neat concept of a character I love but again the other company made a lot more of the cast so hrrrng". I ended up with a lot of Gurren Laganns that way. But I kind of appreciate each for what it offers. Of course, I also can't have ALL the Gurren Laganns so the ones I do have are the ones I think offer the most to me in regards to my personal collectory interests. (with the exception of the Riobot, I don't have it, but I want it so dearly but oops money).

    I guess that's kind of it at the end of the day. If I have money for a second version or repaint and I like it, I go for it. Sometimes I enjoy a repaint more than getting a whole new toy just because I like the colors that much, etc etc. Sometimes having a second copy is really beneficial to my weird collector needs. And sometimes it's just because it's a toy that just means so much to me as a collector I really feel like two of the exact same toy is a worthwhile purchase or that having that sealed copy helps me enjoy my open one all the more. I'm sorry for the long ramble! I hope I don't come off mean or anythin'. Not always good with articulating myself but I wanted to try and answer as best I could. I don't ever keep toys I buy one copy of sealed though, so, my opinions and thoughts on that aren't a thing.
     
  7. AutoBobby

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    I used to open everything, but now as the retail prices have skyrocketed I'm having a harder time opening things. I guess I figure if and when I decide to sell this stuff that I'm going to get more for it if it's still mint.
     
  8. transtrekkie

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    I should probably further clarify, that for myself, I'm the guy that bought a MISB G1 Thundercracker. Prerub. The first thing I did was open it, apply the stickers and transform it. Later when I had to sell it, I got $10 more than what I paid for it.
     
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    I don't generally buy multiples, but I've seen it done - some bloke in a TRU in front of me bought 15 Lego polybags, obviously to sell, whilst I bought 1 of the few remaining ones. I keep everything sealed simply because I don't have the space to display anything.
     
  10. FoC Grimlock

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    Some collectables have enormous future values. MISB has more value than opened in some cases.

    You can put the box itself on display

    Take SHFiguarts for example. From the ground up these are display pieces. The packaging itself is gorgeous. It showcases the figure in ways that you or I probably could never accomplish on our own display shelves. There's a plastic window showing you the figure inside. It's a neat and clean display piece all on its own.

    Some people like toys but don't like clutter

    Toy collecting isn't just for man-children. Some people can enjoy something without having to put their hands all over it. Others don't want the clutter of having toys spread out on shelves.

    Thinking of the future

    Realistic collectors do not intend to die with toys in their hands. MISB figures are worth more than opened and loose figures. All figures will be sold in the future either by the collector or inheritor and sealed figures have a better possibility for a future sale.
     
  11. supervir2

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    All of my action figures in the pure sense (justice league, ninja turtles, etc) are singles apart from a few instances where I set the old one from childhood next to a minty version of himself. I have been doing some double-dipping in transformers but that is a recent thing. Essentially, I've got two of each MP - one for bot mode and one for alt. It isn't that I don't want to transform them but as I display them (mostly), showing both modes at once is more powerful to the audience - that turns into that!?!? The other doubles are a few of the figures that span collections. Like, I have MP Prime in my MP collection and again in my Optimus display.

    As for unopened...I do have a lot of miSB stuff at the moment but that is due to a current lack of space. We plan on moving in the next 1 (at most 2) years and I'll have all the room is ever need at that point. If I were to wait to purchase things though, the aftermarket cost would be crazy.
     
  12. Crockett

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    If I really enjoy a line and it's one of my favorites, I often want MOC copies if it's financially feasible. It provides a sense a mastery of the line, itself.

    "I have all the modern Thundercats loose to play with, and MOC too!!"

    There's also a lot of lines where I just flat out enjoy the design of the packaging. I absolutely love the Man of Steel movie masters packaging. The packaging is just as cool as the figures.
     
  13. Lt. Faceless

    Lt. Faceless I'm a puppet

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    Which brings up another question for me.It seems alot more people are trying to keep MOC these days.What happens when you try to sell a MOC toy and the market is flooded with them cause of everyone keeping them MOC. When we were kids,MOC wasn't even a thought. Its like the death of superman(90s comics) all over again. If everyone trys to collect MOC for the future investment,when does the crash come?

    I wasn't directing that comment towards you,just my thoughts on selling current MOC toys in general.
     
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  14. Crockett

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    Well, the shipping cost is actually lower for loose figures. If I have something I'm looking to get rid of, I actually prefer to remove the item.
     
  15. transtrekkie

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    Ok, I get what you're trying to convey here conceptually, but I do feel the need to ask some of the obvious questions/state the obvious points that arise from some of these comments:

    Sure, if your intention is to scalp them. Otherwise, it's gambling. Sure, some do, but a lot don't and there's no guaranteed way to know what will and what won't. It's like saying someone should buy comics and keep them bagged and boarded because they'll be valuable later. 99.99% of them actually will decrease in value, so that would be a terrible way to approach collecting comics. This applies to toys as well.

    Which you can do anyway. Either by having the toy in front of, or depending on how sturdy the box is on the box itself. Or next to it.

    Ok, this does make sense. Sometimes companies design packaging now days to actually be displays themselves.

    In which case you instead wind up with toys in boxes spread out on a shelf. Which is potentially more clutter than if they were out because now they're taking more space.

    Again, the problem with this approach is that it's like the stock market. No one can predict which figures will increase in value and which ones won't. Sure, occasionally there will be some guarantees like an MP Prime, but generally it's a crap shoot. No one in their right mind should be collecting with the intention of having something that will be valuable later because nine times out ten, you're going to get burned on it. It's gambling, just not at a casino. I mean, sure, you can buy that Captain Picard figure for $10 and keep it in the package, but 20 years later you're likely going to be selling it for $5 because you just don't want it in your inventory any more. And, yeah, it's a case of you'll be getting $5 instead of the $2 that a loose one goes for. For all of that, it would have made more sense to just open it and enjoy it for 20 years.

    And this gets to what I was just talking about with regards to collecting for future value. It's gambling, from every angle of it. Even if you do see a toy that is rare at the time and you know, you still have to basically sell it immediately in order to be guaranteed any return. Otherwise you run the risk of having what happened with Star Wars Episode I figures where Hasbro was releasing certain figures in lower quantities and then later flooded the market with the shortpacked ones, essentially killing the secondary value of them. Then you have what happened with Star Trek, where things were initially valuable when they first came out but, after Playmates tried to get in on the aftermarket craze, every figure released was exclusive, limited edition, with certificates of authenticity and numbered. It got so ridiculous that collectors are still gun shy when it comes to collecting Star Trek. Even toy companies don't want to take the risk, look at Hasbro with not having an action figure line to go with the "Into Darkness" movie.

    This is why, at the end of the day people should be collecting what they want because they enjoy it, not for some perceived possible, maybe future value. Buy for yourself, not for anyone else.
     
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    Only line I ever did multiples for was Star Wars Vintage Collection, and that was because I loved the packaging. Other than that, nothing.
     
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    I agree with you that there's no way to predict the future values for toys--unless one is a prophet. The idea that they will be worth more "eventually" is really silly if one cannot even state what the reasons would be for that to happen.

    Wouldn't call it gambling though. There's risk in any investment. Well, there's probably no risk on bank interest, but you don't make any money off of bank interest unless your savings account is truly huge. :lol 

    Toys are poor investments. But with a few hundred dollars or some similar limited quantity of money, you wouldn't exactly tear up Wall Street, either. So one investment strategy is as good as the next.

    It's kind of silly to use the term "crash" with toys if you ask me. It's way too dramatic. When I think of crashes, I think of people losing their jobs, their houses, companies going bust, etc. I definitely do not think of some assholes donating some toys they picked up to eventually end up in the hands of little kids. :lol 
     
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    I usually open my toys and fiddle around with them before picking a pose and spot on the shelf i like. I would certainly like to buy multiple of everything i buy but it's to expensive. I have bought multiples before but it has been a very small number of times, in the single digits for sure. However i almost always keep the boxes, doing so is coming in handy now since i have somewhere to put figure's i no longer have the room to display.
    and in case somewhere down the line i am in desperate need of money and will be forced to sell them off, in all likely hood they will be worth more with the original box.
     
  19. IgnikaMarcus

    IgnikaMarcus DON'T TRUST THE RENDERS!

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    If you're not going to open it at any point, don't buy it. If you are going to open it, don't buy multiples, because unless you're buying Mega Bloks or LEGO sets for parts, you only need one.
     
  20. doxydejour

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    This is how I used to see it, but then I found myself looking at my mum's statue collection. Statues just sit in a cabinet or on a shelf. They're not posable, and they're designed to look pretty. Toys, when MISB, are packaged to be attractive. Therefore, people who collect MISB/AFA not to sell on, but to appreciate, are collecting these toys in the same way that my mum collects statues. To each their own.