JoJo No Kimiyou Na Bouken/JoJo's Bizarre Adventure

Discussion in 'Movies and Television' started by Cyberbot8460, Sep 17, 2020.

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Favorite part?

  1. Phantom Blood

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  2. Battle Tendency

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    10.5%
  3. Stardust Crusaders

    8 vote(s)
    42.1%
  4. Diamond is Unbreakable

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    26.3%
  5. Golden Wind

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    10.5%
  6. Stone Ocean

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  7. Steel Ball Run

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    10.5%
  8. Jojolion

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  1. Deathcatg

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    Also means one step more to "Steel Ball Run".
     
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    Excited but also kinda terrified, knowing how Stone Ocean ends.


    One step closer to Steel Ball Run!
     
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    At least you know visually, it'd be glorious without giving details.
     
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    Bring on the horse man
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    Cyberbot8460 never knows best

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    Disappointed she won't be voiced by Miyuki, but Ai should do a great job!
     
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    Me, after reading today’s announcement:
     
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    Not sure if this is something worth mentioning, but am I the only one that sees Robert EO Speedwagon as more of a "Foil" parallel to DIO than Jonathan did?

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    • Both are blond-haired street thugs who were antagonists against Jonathan when they first meet.
    • However, when they were shown kindness by Jonathan, Speedwagon chose to use it to better himself and become an honest, successful person; while Dio chose to see it as a weakness and exploited it against Jonathan for his own nefarious schemes.
    • To make the analogy stronger, both end up gaining a form of immortality: Dio though his vampirism and Speedwagon through his legacy and foundation; While Dio's evil deeds continue to haunt the Joestars many generations later even beyond the grave, Speedwagon's foundation continues to help to make the world a better place, as well as assisted the Joestars in various ways even decades after Speedwagon's death.
    In that way, I find the character of Speedwagon interesting (And understand why the character has such a huge following among fans). The most impressive thing about Speedwagon's character was frankly despite started out as poor street thugs in poverty whose lives changed after they met Jonathan and the Joestars, but whereas Dio remained evil and never rises above his own pettiness, Speedwagon became a better person, and eventually went on to successfully become everything DIO wanted to be without resorting to petty murder plotting or superpowers whatsoever.
     
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    I think that's pretty intentional on Hirohiko Araki's part, but good catch! I guess it helps shows that a tough upbringing doesn't mean you have to lose yourself to bitterness and spite, something that might be harder to show if you only had Dio.
     
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    Upon looking back at the scene where Speedwagon followed Jonathan back to his mansion and exposes Dio in part 1; One thing I do notice is that despite Speedwagon may appear to be a hypocrite by claiming Dio to be born evil while Speedwagon himself is also born into an evil environment... from an alternate POV, Speedwagon wasn't completely wrong, either. I feel like a more reasonable POV to interpret what Speedwagon was saying is that Dio chose to do evil of his own volition and never rises up above being born in an "evil environment", rather than anyone else's.

    Yes, he had a horrible childhood because of Dario and just general poverty, but even with all of the generosity gave him seven years to turn himself around that he never took; When you are willing to do things such as plotting to kill the very person that provided you with a loving home that others worse off than Dio would gratefully take and be thankful for the rest of their lives, there's only so much of that can be blamed on the abusiveness of Dio's father. Dio tries to say he was molded by his situation, but his situation since he was fifteen has been living in luxury with a loving caretaker; An opportunity that he could use to become a better person... but he never did (And willingly take), and remains the same scumbag who will be remembered for the suffering and pain he caused for everyone else, forever.

    Maybe if Dio was raised by better parents even if he was "born evil", Dio won't become the dreaded, terrifying villain whose legacy haunted the Joestars and their allies for centuries that he eventually become; Maybe...
     
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    Exactly. I think Speedwagon helps not to give an unintentional false moral that all poor people would just take given the opportunity like Dio did, and that the problem was with him all along.
     
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    I think that's also the comparison between the two as characters that by the time Speedwagon advanced in age in Battle Tendencies decades later, he earned all the material wealth and status by sticking to his morals that Dio was trying to achieve early through malevolent means.
     
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    I don't think Speedwagon says anything beyond Dio was born bad. I don't remember him blaming the neighborhood. He says something like his growing up in the streets allowed him to see people's true natures, good or bad, and Dio was bad. Part of that may have been Dio's environment or his family lidfe or whatever, but Speedwagon claims to recognize Dio as simply being wired bad. And in fact, Dio himself recognizes this in himself a little earlier when he berates himself for not being able to stop drinking, just like the father he despised.

    But you also have to remind yourself that the story is taking place in 19th century England, which was class conscious in a way and to an extent that is probably hard for people today to wrap their heads around. Of course their attitudes are going to seem backward and lacking compassion.
     
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    Every time I see Emporio, it makes me remember how uncomfortable those baseball socks are.
     
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    That looks beautiful! I hope this final makes Medicos get off their ass and do Part 6 Jotaro
     
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    I don't know what I'm looking forward to more; the adaptation itself or the reactions of the anime fans who know nothing about the manga's plot.
     
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    Can't fucking wait.

    Only downside is the assholes online spoiling the ending.
     
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