Jazz / Meister question

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  1. Owner

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    I think most of us know in Japan Jazz was named Meister....and if course there is an Altenator named Meister, but can anyone tell me is there any differance between Jazz's profile and Meisters?

    Aside from just the name change.

    Just curious...never seen a profile for Meister before.
     
  2. Breakdown96

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    No not really, they are Jazz
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  3. Aernaroth

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    Well, the Binaltechs had a storyline that really wasn't really included with the Alternators, but in terms of character, they're essentially equivalent. Does this help?

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    And this guy's gallery has more comparisons

    http://www.flickriver.com/photos/kranix/tags/jazz/


    Alternators Meister is, in fact, Jazz, but there was a name dispute at the time, and since the "Autobot" prefix had been used in the line twice already, Hasbro decided to go with Meister for the name instead.

    Meister and Jazz have basically always been different names for the same character, just as Optimus and Convoy have been linked.
     
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    Yes actually it does help thanks!
     
  5. MaxxieOD

    MaxxieOD Jazz is my homebot

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    Aern is awesome like that...

    Besides, doesn't Jazz Meister have a nice ring to it? I love it personally!
     
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    Meister Jazz would make a little more sense, I'd think. Or Maestro Jazz. Meister is a title, after all.

    Meister is basically a german word for master, and the two words share the same linguistic roots as Maestro, the latin word Magister (as in Mage/Magi/Magus, Magistrate, etc.). I've always thought Magister Prime or Magistrate Prime would be a good name for a Leader-Jazz.

    I think it's interesting that, in Japan, Jazz's position as Optimus' (or in Animated, Magnus') lieutenant defines his character (or at least his name) a lot more than in the American franchise, where his name (and the focus on his character) is more on his personality and love of culture.
     
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    MaxxieOD Jazz is my homebot

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    Yeah, I know they would fit better...but Jazz Meister just rolls better to me...Jazz the Master! LOL

    Tho thanks for the lesson on the language, didn't know some of that!

    As for a leader Jazz...Jazzimus Prime! Sorry, had to!
     
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    Jazz-meister would fit as well, ironically, but it would imply "Master of Jazz" rather than "Master, named Jazz". Sort of how Burgermeister effectively means "Master of Town" or Europameister, "Master of Europe" in sports, compared to Maestro Fresh West (the DJ) or Master Bruce (Wayne). Depends on how you'd want the character to go.
     
  9. MaxxieOD

    MaxxieOD Jazz is my homebot

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    True...then again...maybe he IS the master of Jazz? :D  Btw, thanks for the language lesson (I'm being serious), now I might seem less like an idiot when trying to explain Meister, heh.
     
  10. Autovolt 127

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    I demand Jazzmeister to be a real trademarked name.
     
  11. Owner

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    My reason for asking is simple I'm working on a project to rename all the repainted G1 characters / molds. In this case G1 Jazz will remain Jazz....G2 is now free to become (in my universe anyway) Meister....I can then write a profile for him, thus expanding my tfverse.
     
  12. Nevermore

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    Alternators never had profiles. The closest thing they got were bios for the bubble box ones, including the re-released Meister:

    "Do it with style, or don't bother doing it."

    Which just happens to be G1 Jazz's motto.

    One of several reasons we got for why the Alternators toy was named "Meister" was because at that point, the Powers That Be at Hasbro at that time thought that three "Autobot Someone" toys in a row (Autobot Hound, Autobot Tracks, Autobot Jazz) would sound a little "redundant".
     
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    "They call me 'Meeeester Jazz..."
    You'd have thought if it was a way to keep an established character name in use then it would've been better to name the figure 'Autobot Jazz' and to hell with whether they'd already done it with a couple of others. If it was considered overkill then why already have done it with two before deciding three was just too many? Sometimes I just don't understand the choices companies make.
    'Jazz Mag' is slang here for pornographic publications so that now just makes me think he's a master of top shelf material. No surprise considering he's so into Earth culture. :p 
     
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    Keep in mind that back then, "Autobot someone" was still considered a necessary evil, rather than an established standard. It wasn't until the 2007 movie line that names like "Autobot Jazz" or "Decepticon Brawl" became acceptable for a "main" line. Names with prefixes were relegated to "side" lines such as Universe 1.0, Heroes of Cybertron, the Commemorative Series reissues and Alternators, while Armada had "Red Alert" instead of "Autobot Ratchet".