Never going to take that word seriously after what Yoda said in TLJ.

Besides you endorsed that Barricade avatar at one point.

Expendables 2 is currently sitting at 66%.

And you care about the RT score? Do you even remember what you said in that Quiet Place thread?

I believe Michael Bay (as much as I enjoy his work) was becoming a problem after TLK with no one else being considered to take the directorial helm and 5 movies compared to something like Mission Impossible where Tom Cruise wanted something different. And believe me, Bay has this thing called 'improvisation' going back to Bad Boys where he lets the actors stray from the script. So someone else could elevate the script to a different level. I used to believe that writers were a huge problem until I understood more clearly about the power a director can have when they have the creativity.

I'm pretty sure what the Transformers films were lacking was the substance and heart to make us care about the characters which Bay isn't strong for.

So Bay clearly has been a problem with overblowing the budget... Hm? No wonder the budget was around $217 million in addition to so many robots, so many visual effects, so many practical effects and so many actors.


And yes not since the Ninja Turtles being called aliens is this the most controversial thing ever.

Seriously, where's his toy?

 

Isn't this kinda sad? To ask a director point blank what kind of movie he's making, what was the goal and to get that answer?

 

The answer for him is stand-alone.

 

@Autobot Burnout cant agree that in the background something is coded into this movie that really reboots what transformers is, the director is massively similar to Spielberg who helped create what TF07 became in allowing the franchise to get this far they are known for connection with the audience, which is what bay was increasingly negating to do. However it’s more Hope than fact but I’m thinking that part of the plot explains how the franchise moves forward

 

That's your answer for him.

 

Maybe with completely different aesthetics? We’ve all seen them primal concept art shots right!!!,

 

I enjoy the concept of Barricade = Bayverse should go on forever?

No.

Besides, a reboot could potentially give us a Barricade that actually does things OTHER than get his ass kicked and run away.

 

Oh so there's something you like from that universe...

So if TF07 wasn't a bad start and the fault is on the sequels and the direction they took after... How bad is it exactly if it starts over?

 

I never claimed I hated everything about the Bayverse.

I gave it multiple chances, and though I still think all 5 movies are crap, at least the toylines were entertaining and featured some cool engineering.

I'm not agreeing to that.

It completely undermines the entire point of a "fresh start" if it's still going to be lorded over by Bonaventura and Bay, with the same Bumblebee and Optimus(i.e the only Transformers they give half a shit about,because money). Reminds me of that nonsense about AoE being a "soft reboot".

It's been 11 years, they're on movie #6, at what point can we be like "Okay it's time to let new people handle a reboot"?

 

That's the equivalent of saying stuff like 2003 Hulk is the same as 2008 Hulk because it's produced by Kevin Feige.

The same reason like saying Sam Raimi's Spider Man is the same as the two ASM movies because there's Avi Arad.

 

I don't even recall ever posting in a 'Quiet Place' thread quite frankly. The film didn't interest me. Are you sure you aren't thinking of the OTHER guy with 'Burnout' in his user name?

I'm not letting the writers off that easy. Michael Bay alone isn't responsible for how downhill the films have gone ever since DOTM. The writers simply couldn't tell a coherent story between the robots and the humans without humans constantly being in the antagonistic role like no matter how many times they turn on the Autobots only for the Autobots to save their asses, they'll just go right back to making the worst possible choices and repeat the cycle.

The writing didn't help either with how vapid and empty most of the characters feel. The only characters I really gave a shit about was Lennox, Epps, and Simmons, simply because they actually had some real character and were the most interesting to me.

That excuse doesn't really fly anymore. Back in 2007 sure, the CGI was cutting edge and was a major feature of the film, but in 2017 you have CGI really ramping up and becoming more widely available, at the same time Transformers really didn't change anything beyond inventing giant white elephant centerpieces that wasted CGI and were generally only used for a few minutes before getting disposed of easily.

And yet somehow, despite technology with CGI advancing to unfathomably good levels that just about anybody could do the level of CGI in the first film, the budget for Bay's films still keep around the $200 million mark? GotG Vol. 2 cost about $200 million and MOST of that film was straight CGI across the board. Transformers isn't fuly CGI and yet keeps costing more in comparison because of all the hauling around equipment, having to pay expensive actor salaries simply to feature their names when they could have gotten far less expensive actors that would have sufficed well enough (as did Hopkins really need to be brought on when they could have gotten somebody far less expensive? The only reason Hopkins is in TLK is purely for the power his name would draw, same reason Mark Whalberg was brought on as a main lead instead of doing something intelligent such as using the father figure that already could have existed through Lennox and his daughter, provided a longer time jump), almost exclusively exotic sports cars they couldn't risk doing any stunts with because they couldn't buy them nor have extras ready if a car got totaled, and apparently causing a shitload of controversy because making Churchhil's home into a Nazi headquarters by hanging Nazi imagery everywhere only for it all to not appear in the film totally wasn't wasted money.

At this point I genuinely don't know what to say that would explain it in a way people would understand that it's a real betrayal of trust on the part of Paramount and Knight.

He's not getting one. We've seen at least the next two waves of Studio series, Blitz-scream is not to be found anywhere. Hope you like six different versions of Bumblebee!

Honestly at this point I hope Bumblebee crashes and burns hard. Not just because of the Starscream/Blitzwing nonsense, but because Lorenzo clearly thinks he can just make copies of the Bumblebee film and profit. That man is cancer and we'll never get a film EVERYBODY will like unless his ass gets booted clean out of Paramount permanently.

 

What? There was another Burnout?

If aliens occupy your home, there should be a reasonable amount of antagonism. Well let's imagine if hypothetically they allowed the Autobots to create Autobot City, people probably would still get upset at a piece of land that's been taken from their planet.

If someone else was directing this, they probably play it more subtle and without being too heavy handed about the theme. A director can do whatever with a script and say "I scrap this... I want this scene to be changed."

Post from you.

Post from me.

It's exactly what I was talking about as the problem. Money was spent on stuff that meant little on the screen in the end.

They actually revealed everything?!

Everyone?

No movie is going to please everybody.

 

It's the only explanation I can recall, since I legitimately don't recall posting in any thread about A Quiet Place.

Even if it's just some old disused military location that nobody's used in years? Like in, Utah or something?

Yeah, fair enough.

Appologies, I thought you were talking about something different there.

It's pretty much the same scenario as what happened with Stinger in AoE. Want a toy of the bad guys other than Dropkick? lol nope. But here's a KSI sentry not even in the film or what anybody asked for!

There really isn't a reason for Shatter or Blitzscream to be absent from the opening waves but they shove in a new mold generic instead. Real commitment to not making the same mistakes, eh Hasbro?

True, but the number drop between AoE and TLK clearly shows that there's a hell of a lot more people who are not pleased as opposed to those who are.

 

That works... Don't know how they're going to build a settlement if more keep coming though.

 

From reading a lot of critical reviews, I can tell some critics would likely never like any Transformers movie.

As for the writing, isn't it weird that people were so angry at Kruger for writing three financially successful films, and then when he's outed by writers who were supposedly better that movie ends up appealing so much less to international and domestic audiences? Funny how that works out.

But here's the thing, and this is a part of why I like AoE: I would much rather humans with help from bad guy Cybertronians be a threat to the Autobots than humans being a threat to the Autobots all by their own.

TRF should have been demolished by the Dinobots fairly easily. Additionally, TRF also was much, much bigger than Cemetery Wind and enjoyed the full support of most of the world's governments.

Where is this imaginary big Hollywood studio not motivated by greed and wanting more money?

A reboot also would have been driven by greed. Disney and all of their underlings, like Lucasfilm and Marvel and Pixar, are motivated by greed. Warner Brothers, Universal, Fox, and Sony are motivated by greed. Seems kind of weird to single the Transformers films out in this case.

Also, did G1 stop after the 1984 cast was largely dead? Did the Beast Era stop with Beast Wars ending? By continuing after DotM, the movies were actually honoring the brand's source material in a way not enough continuities have. The Battle of Chicago is a lot like the battle for Autobot City in that the Decepticons and Megatron are damaged and defeated, and it affects the Autobots as well. Age of Extinction is like the movie in that it introduces new characters and shows Galvatron's origins. It's also like Five Faces of Darkness, Part I, which also features bounty hunters capturing Autobots for the creators of the Transformers.

AoE did not begin that. The movie franchise has been that from the very beginning. Even many positive 2007 movie reviews by critics were basically saying that it was nonsensical and stupid, but they had never seen anything like it before, so they gave it a pass. RotF's ratings were much worse and around AoE levels.

Because fans complained non-stop about the OT's alien, grey scrap metal designs. Many of the original G1 designs, both in the show and the comics, were very human-like. Sure, you had exceptions like Shockwave, but the vast majority of G1 robots were very human-like, so by giving Lockdown, Drift, Crosshairs, Optimus, Hound, and Galvatron more visually expressive designs you're actually honoring the roots of the brand and making their expressions more emotive. Ditto to Daytrader and TLK Megatron.

Plus, the new designs were much more colorful for the most part. Compare the KSI drones to the Protoform army in DotM. The former are much more visually distinctive.

Yet we still get some alien or nun-human designs, like the Dinobots, Steeljaws, Traxes, Junkeheap, Two-Headed Shockwaves, and Stupid Drones.

Except AoE does have instances where it uses the disguise concept. Evasion Mode Optimus. Bee sneaking into KSI. Galvatron disguised as a lifeless, human-made drone, but secretly having an alien mind.

We don't know that.

 

I have a feeling that would change with Bumblebee and they go, "Oh."

 

So true. According to them, the movies have too little human focus.

I don't know, but maybe they change and stop hating any scenes not focusing on humans.

 

A lot of the criticisms from the first movie were absolute nonsense.

''I had no idea who was fighting who!''... Really? Optimus introduces the Autobots BY NAME, and aside from Megatron, the Decepticons are introduced by TEXT ON THE SCREEN.

 

Not to mention they had very different colour schemes back then,they were just lazy!They had no idea because they never cared to .

 

You misunderstood the complaint. It's about how cluttered and dull-colored most of the designs were. In motion they looked similar.