In TF1, the Autobots are trying to save Cybertron and the Decepticons are trying to stop them while in DOTM, the Decepticons are trying to save Cybertron and the Autobots are trying to stop them.

 

Somewhat, yes.

The difference is, the Autobots weren't willing to let another species die for it.

 

Well, in movie one, Megatron's plan was to transform earth's technology into his army, and the Autobots were trying to stop him. In DOTM his plan was to rebuild cybertron (not save it, though he believed he was doing just that) and the autobot's plan was to stop him again, because they knew cybertron was already lost. So I guess in both movies nobody was really trying to save cybertron, so I see no irony...

 

If by "Decepticons try to save Cybertron" you mean "restore Cybertron, harvest another planet's resources, destroy and enslave said planet, and repopulate their race by building an army of machines to rule the universe", then yes, the 'Cons sure are noble, altruistic guys just trying to do the right thing.

 

[Heath Ledger voice] You know... You know what I've noticed? Nobody panics when things go "according to plan." Even if the plan is horrifying! If Optimus Prime is slain or the Autobots are sent into exile and blown up, nobody panics, because it's all "part of the plan". But when a battle goes down in Mission City or a massacre occurs in Chicago, well then everyone loses their minds!


But actually, it's ironic that the Decepticons' masterplans epicly fail (ROTF, DOTM), but when they have no plan at all (the first film), when they're just mobilizing and converging for a big fight, they are near-unstoppable. But I don't know if that's what the OP wants...

 

I was defending the the Decepticons. The irony I was referring to is about which faction is better for the planet Cybertron.

 

Sure, in the long run I guess the Decepticons are better for Cybertron, I guess. In the sense that the only reason they want Cybertron restored is to rebuild their army of war-mongering Decepticons. But the Autobots are better for the fate of Earth and the universe in general.  

 

What I meant is: In TF1, the Autobots are better for Cybertron. In DOTM, the Decepticons are better for Cybertron.

 

Rest assured, we know.

Thing is, though, even though the 'Cons talk a good game of saving their race and all that, they have no limits on who they'll kill or enslave or otherwise oppress to achieve their goals. Sure, Cybertron might be repaired with their new slaves, if humans could even fix a world torn asunder by war, but considering who'd be ruling it, the rest of the universe would be better off without it.

 

Of course.

 

well Optimus retort in Two was that Megatron would "never stop at one" I think if it was just same Optimus would have gone along with it.

 

No. Optimus would never sacrifice even a single human life. He's sworn to protect humanity from the Decepticons, and thus he would not let them kill Sam or anyone else, not while he still functioned.

Plus the fact he had absolutely no intention whatsoever of agreeing to a plan concocted by Megatron, nor any plan that would benefit the Decepticons.

 

Yeah Optimus wasn't saying that "if it's only one it's alright", he was just calling bullshit on Megatron because Megatron is a piece of lying shit.

 

Dear lord, can I please sig that, Shroob?! Your sense of description never fails to bring a smile to my face  

 

Either way Primus is asleep and doesn't give a damn about their petty feuds.

 

It's like RAAAYYYY-EEEE-AAAAIINNNNNNNNNN on your Wedding Day...

 

F**k - I'm 3 minutes late. That was MY joke, dammit! 

 

I just not so sure that if our home planet was in trouble if humans wouldn't stomp all over another intelligent species if it meant saving/restoring our home planet. It's also not like humans haven't enslaved other humans in the past so I don't know that we would always be so noble about exploiting something that wasn't human.

If the choice was make Attila the Hun the king of the Earth and enslave the Gungans or just give up on our home planet, well all hail Attila.

 

in the end it all boils down to what was the Good vs Evil choice at the moment. Though i never saw the Decepticons in any continuity as evil, simply a reflection of what the autobots could be if they stopped restraining themselves. The Cons honestly believe what they are doing is the right choice and they won't be stopped by pathetic morals. In a way it calls back to our own human nature. We might speak about how we would defend our friends and all that jazz, but in the real situation you will be looking out for one person. Yourself. If putting others down ensures your own survival, you would most likely take all the lives you needed to

 

While Optimus had a very good point, I always though him retorting that Megatron wouldn't stop at just one was kind of dodging the question.