According to TFwiki, these former Autobot leaders from the "Five Faces Of Darkness" flashbacks are now named. Here's their links-

Primon - Transformers Wiki

Prima - Transformers Wiki

Prime Nova - Transformers Wiki

Guardian Prime - Transformers Wiki

Zeta Prime - Transformers Wiki

Sentinel Prime (G1) - Transformers Wiki

I can't help but thinking that they look so different in both the cartoon and Marvel Comics. I was planning on having customisers make toys of them for me, but now I don't know which one to make...

 

I personally ignore it. While I'm all for bringing multiverse concepts together, I think this was taking it a little too far.

 

Are you asking us if this is a true fact established by official Hasbro-approved works, or made up by those Wiki folks you don't know?

In that case, please have a look in the notes on those pages where the Allspark Almanac 2 is listed as a source.

Or are you asking us if we personally accepted this as true in our "personal canon"?

 

Take TF wiki with a grain of salt. It's a fantastic resource, but the people running it have some funny ideas.

First off, wikipedia is supposed to be a community edit, but TF wiki is not. It's run by a committee and if they don't like what you have to say, you're gone. Period. They lock pages so they can't be edited, things like that. If you want to know who really edits and runs TF wiki, they're right here:

User list - Transformers Wiki

Here's the really fun part... a lot of the guys on that list you can't even contact because they don't leave their e-mail information for you. So if you don't sign up for tf wiki and subject yourself to their "rule" you can't even discuss anything with them.

Anyways, as far as content goes.. again they have some strange ideas. For example, everything that comes out of Trent Troop's mouth is the word of Hasbro as far as these people are concerned. They took Shattered Glass and ran with it to the point of stupidity with this whole "repurposed toy" idea. Trent Troop has a creative license, but he writes a comic. Everything that comes out of his mouth is not canon. Lets see him try to mfr a toy line and see how long that works with Hasbro.

They also seem to organize wiki differently depending on which continuity or series they're talking about. Very little consistency. And they NITPICK like motherfuckers. Open up one of the series pages on the cartoons. For example, Energon, and check out an episode and read their little comments at the bottom of the page under things like "continuity errors", "trivia", etc. I could bash these things all day long, some of the ridiculous crap they put in there.

Mathius

 

So if what someone in an Hasbro-authorized output establishes is not canon, then what is? The things you like? And everything you don't agree with is not canon?

Or does everything need a certified stamp of officialness from Aaron Archer himself?

 

And I for one appreciate the deep analysis TF Wiki makes from the cartoons and comics. Don´t like it? Thought shit. Nobody is forcing you to read their pages.
Like or not, whatever Hasbro officially approves is cannon.

 

For god's sake.

You don't like the way us TFWiki users do things? Fair enough. Start your own Transformers wiki and run it the way you feel it should be run. It's a free world, there's more than enough room on the internet for another Transformers wiki.

Consider this a gauntlet thrown down. If you can pull it off, then I will shut up. But if you just keep on acting like one of those people who scream "No, you're doing it wrong", and insist that they're always right, then I will take you just as seriously as I take those people. And I don't take those people seriously at all, and I doubt anyone else does.

And as for our nitpicking, well, we're FANS. It's our JOB to nitpick.

 

Hard to take you seriously when you so obviously took it so personally. I'm sure none of you are personally involved with tf wiki and you're just being sympathetic to the people who put so much hard work into it.  

If you guys want to discuss some specifics or make some legitimate points, I'm all ears, but if you're just going to throw insults and get upset and irrational well... you fit right in with the crowd at TF wiki that _I_ encountered.

Mathius

 

No, I´m not involved with TF Wiki. Can´t be bothered with. I do appreciate their work.

 

Dude, I don't put my personal e-mail everywhere either. If you don't sign up for the TFW2005 forum and "subject" yourself to the "rule" of the moderators, you can't discuss anything with me either.  

 

Wait. You complain about people not giving you an opportunity to discuss your issues with the way they do stuff, and then you don't like when they confront you about your public whining?

I agree that some of the Wiki upper management may be stubborn pigheads on occasion. But I'm not whining in public. And I've done quite a lot of work on the Wiki, so at least I'm in a position where I'd have reason to complain.

How much have you contributed to information-gathering in the fandom?

 

No, but I have zero interest in discussing it with people who right off the back get all pissy about it. You three took what I said personally right off the back and I'm not dealing with attitude. If you want to talk, we can talk, but I'm not going to listen to immature bull crap. It's that simple.

A. This isn't a pissing contest.
B. In case you didn't read my post thoroughly, whatever information gathering I can make available is subject to what they want on the page anyways. I'm not interested in having someone else decide whether or not something is important to me and billions of other transformers fans. That's the whole point of wikipedia being a community edit. YOU might not care about a specific subject, but other people do.

Mathius

 

You started singling out the entire Wiki staff as a group of elitist jerks who have no interest in discussing things. Then you complain about people getting back at you for that, and claim you're not interested in discussing things with them in the first place.

Make up your mind, dude.

Then why'd you unzip your pants in your very first post in this thread?

So in other words, you want a site that gives you complete freedom to do whatever you want?

Start your own wiki.

 

Then stop spouting it.

Failure to understand simple concepts like "this is a list of MAIN characters" or "a toy can represent two different characters" is not information gathering.

Have you even READ Wikipedia? The goddamned place is full of people who put things up for deletion because they don't like them. When people say "no, this should stay", they're being called sockpuppets and meatpuppets.

I'm gonna repeat myself here and say "start your own wiki".

(Oh, and don't blank your talk page on TFWiki.)

 

How do you single out a group? Where did I claim I'm not interested in discussing it with them? I can't discuss it with them. They don't give you the option unless you post on their site.

It has nothing to do with what _I_ want, but what gives THEM the right to decide what ALL the TF fans want to see? They don't have the right, they just took the initiative to start the site. That's not what wikipedia is about. It's about sharing ALL the information, not picking and choosing what is relevant to a group.

I'm not interested in starting a wikipedia site. Transformers is just one of many hobbies and I'm not going to devote my time to it. That doesn't make them better than me by any means, and you act like it does.

Like I said, this isn't a pissing contest.

If you can't learn to be civil, I'm done with this conversation.

Mathius

 

Thank you for proving just about every point I made in this post. You took everything personally, you decided what is content and what isn't, and then you even made issue of me editing MY talk page. It's _MY_ talk page.

Wikipedias are edited because something doesn't fit on the page or something isn't related (something I tried to do) and because it's just plain spam. They don't take something that is relevant and remove it or decide against it. And AGAIN, it's a community edit.

Mathius

 

Good god man, get over yourself.

 

Hasbro can give whoever it wants carte blanche to add whatever they want to the "Canon" but if its not in the old cartoon, or the old marvel comic then I'm not going to pay it any attention.

I tend to ignore all of the stuff which 3H, the Collectors club or any other Fans Turned Authorities have cooked up too, It's little better than fan fiction as far as I'm concerned. If these names aren't on the character bible for those episodes.. then they are and will forever remained named simply " Unknown Autobot " " Ancient Autobot " Etc. etc.

But if other people want to accept it, by all means.. whatever makes you happy.. after all some people still refuse to believe that Rumble being blue was a coloring mistake and that Brawn died.. so calling these characters prima, preema, prizama, or whatever else.. is hardly going to cause more damage to the fandom than anything else.

 

AHAHAHAHA.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

What parallel universe do you live in?

Are you familiar with the whole "inclusionists" versus "exclusionists" feud?

 

No, and I don't care. This conversation is getting so convoluted. Lets say for the sake of your argument I'm wrong and wikipedias are being edited the same as tf wiki. How is that even relevant? Two wrongs make a right?

Oh wait. I forgot. I'm wrong, you're right.  

TF wiki is a great resource for information, but when it comes to their opinions and their sources I caution anyone to take it seriously.

If Trent Troop publishes something for Fun Publications, it's canon for that universe because Hasbro gave him creative license to do so. But if Trent Troop says something on a damn message board, it's not official. I don't give a damn if he's Jesus Christ.

Likewise if Trent Troop says his Shattered Glass story character design for Bombshell was based off the Salvo toy, that doesn't make the Salvo toy a Bombshell figure. It's still Salvo.

Mathius