Is there any discrimination on Cybertron?

Discussion in 'Transformers General Discussion' started by TheWarPathGuy, May 9, 2020.

  1. TheWarPathGuy

    TheWarPathGuy The Crimson Comedian

    Joined:
    Jul 21, 2018
    Posts:
    4,426
    Trophy Points:
    202
    Location:
    Illinois, Chicago
    Likes:
    +4,153
    Note: Be appropriate and mature, please. (Just saying, so nothing gets out of hand.)

    So is there discrimination on Cybertron? If so, against what groups? Is their terms used against these people, if there are, what is it?
    I think it could be a cool story element, imagine if Triple Changers are looked down upon or if Minibots are excluded from the war.
     
  2. pokemonsdoom

    pokemonsdoom Cultist of Unicron.

    Joined:
    Jan 31, 2009
    Posts:
    6,010
    News Credits:
    2
    Trophy Points:
    287
    Location:
    Trypticon Prison
    Likes:
    +11,705
    Ebay:
    I think cyberverse had the fliers look down on everyone else in the episode with the cube game
     
    • Like Like x 8
  3. CyberstormSM

    CyberstormSM Turbo-Revvin' Young Punk

    Joined:
    Jul 6, 2016
    Posts:
    3,135
    News Credits:
    3
    Trophy Points:
    222
    Likes:
    +7,746
    That's what Functionism is all about, isn't it? Your alternate mode determined your career and social status, and so Transformers of lower social status were discriminated against.
     
    • Like Like x 11
  4. Thunderhoof

    Thunderhoof Decepticon Crime Boss

    Joined:
    Dec 31, 2015
    Posts:
    678
    Trophy Points:
    167
    Likes:
    +309
    Besides the obvious factions it seems like the fliers have a high ego, and that the higherups seem to look down upon the populace.
     
    • Like Like x 3
  5. streak2

    streak2 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 28, 2014
    Posts:
    201
    Trophy Points:
    122
    Location:
    Brasil
    Likes:
    +416
    I remember in the Marvel Comics both Autobots and Decepticons had some heavy dislike of "Empties", but it been a while since I have read it. Functionalism in IDW discraminated by Alt-mode too.
     
    • Like Like x 5
  6. Longitudinalwave

    Longitudinalwave A Big Fan of (Sound/Shock)wave

    Joined:
    Jan 28, 2020
    Posts:
    593
    Trophy Points:
    137
    Likes:
    +819
    In IDW, data disks (e.g., Rewind) were considered disposable. Characters like Ravage and Laserbeak, who had beastly robot forms, were also looked down upon.

    Generally, it seems like larger Cybetronians command more respect than smaller ones. (There are exceptions, like Marvel Ratbat, but in terms of general trends, minibots and cassettes are often seen as relatively unimportant.) That being said, in IDW it seemed that characters with extremely bulky alternate modes (like tanks and construction vehicles) were seen as unintelligent.

    Characters with flying alternate modes are often unduly proud of that ability; another post noted that this came up in Cyberverse. Strangely, in the same show, Shockwave seemed to express a belief that Seekers, specifically, were unintelligent.

    You're right; the Decepticons murdered them left, right, and center. As for the Autobots...well, this bit from TfWiki sums it up better than I could:
    "If you want to thank me, you'll crawl back into your hole, pal. I've got better things to do than save the rusty hides of robo-wretches like you!"

    "Clear the road, wrecks. I'm on important business! ”
    Blaster and Scrounge express what is apparently typical heroic Autobot concern for their fellow Cybertronians.
    Neutrals were also looked down upon in IDW, but they had more power there.

    Characters with beastly alternate modes (or, again, robot modes, like Ravage or Sky Lynx) are often assumed to be unintelligent.

    In Prime, Starscream at least expressed disdain for Knock Out's non-flying alternate mode. No one on either side seemed to care about Vehicons.
     
    • Like Like x 3
  7. jignat

    jignat Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 14, 2006
    Posts:
    1,324
    Trophy Points:
    232
    Location:
    Tampa
    Likes:
    +633
    In Rebirth part 2, Cyclonus states that Zarak can only have the heads of the "animals" implying that they are of a lower class than vehicle alt mode TF's (or Cyclonus just wants to save his skin lol)
     
    • Like Like x 3
  8. TheUltimateBum

    TheUltimateBum Nautica Lover

    Joined:
    Mar 30, 2016
    Posts:
    644
    Trophy Points:
    167
    Likes:
    +646
    Well, I do have a headcanon idea of discrimination on Cybertron coming from the Elite Guard. It would be that they despise non-Autobot races (Decepticons, Maximals, Predacons, Vehicons, et. al.), and just want Cybertron to be a planet of pure Autobots.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  9. Primeultra

    Primeultra Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 26, 2017
    Posts:
    3,795
    Trophy Points:
    217
    Likes:
    +2,175
    Empties?
     
  10. TheUltimateBum

    TheUltimateBum Nautica Lover

    Joined:
    Mar 30, 2016
    Posts:
    644
    Trophy Points:
    167
    Likes:
    +646
    • Like Like x 2
  11. Primeultra

    Primeultra Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 26, 2017
    Posts:
    3,795
    Trophy Points:
    217
    Likes:
    +2,175
    I wonder why I don’t remember this
     
  12. Cyberbot8460

    Cyberbot8460 Korean Geewunner.

    Joined:
    Dec 26, 2018
    Posts:
    563
    Trophy Points:
    147
    Location:
    Good ol’ ‘Murica. Where else?
    Likes:
    +692
    Google+:
    YouTube:
    Why, yes! In IDW2005, there are the Forged and the Constructed Cold. Those who are naturally created by Vector Sigma, and those who are built. The Constructed Cold are highly discriminated against. There is also segregation based on alt-modes.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  13. robb0429

    robb0429 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 1, 2011
    Posts:
    1,526
    Trophy Points:
    197
    Location:
    Lehighton, PA
    Likes:
    +283
    Ebay:
    Instagram:
    The concept of functionalism in the comics is an absolute genius way of depicting real prejudice pertaining to something out of your control, and then others starting to blame you for your own issues when none of the blame goes to the system that created the issue in the first place.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  14. Dolza_Khyron

    Dolza_Khyron Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 7, 2002
    Posts:
    24,509
    Trophy Points:
    412
    Likes:
    +4,085
    Well, really can't have much worse discrimination than, "Red Eyes VS Blue Eyes" and, everyone else isn't even peeps!
     
  15. QLRformer

    QLRformer Seeker

    Joined:
    Jan 10, 2012
    Posts:
    21,599
    News Credits:
    12
    Trophy Points:
    327
    Likes:
    +8,791
    Where there is a society/civilization, there will be some sort of discrimination against someone.
     
    • Like Like x 4
  16. Novaburnhilde

    Novaburnhilde ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

    Joined:
    Oct 13, 2013
    Posts:
    9,313
    News Credits:
    44
    Trophy Points:
    247
    Location:
    Slaughter City
    Likes:
    +7,006
    I think because Cybes are mechanical aliens there's a lot of really interesting dynamics that can be explored in regards to how their society functions, Functionism is a great concept but was ultimately mishandled (like many things in IDW's first TF universe).

    Rather than the Functionist council being so obviously evil they could be presented in a more neutral light because I think there's solid arguments that could be made in favor of Functionism, why not? Maybe a little bit of Functionism isn't a bad thing, but like with many things, when taken too far it can be a problem. What about Megatron's Technoism? I definitely would like to see more of that explored, maybe Cybertronians at first struggle to reconcile carbon-based lifeforms due to their planet being entirely mechanical. I also very much liked the ideas Roberts raised in his papers talking about his ideas for the proper origins of their species, about a possible war or conflict between those constructed cold and forged, it'd be an interesting dynamic / conflict to explore.

    Though it needs to be said, if you happen to be a writer for Transformers and would like to broach the topic of discrimination: For the love of god please keep in mind that they aren't human and don't try to draw parallels to our reality unless you're gonna do it right and with some subtlety.
     
    • Like Like x 4
  17. Tetratron

    Tetratron Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 11, 2018
    Posts:
    662
    Trophy Points:
    142
    Likes:
    +1,604
    This is usually part of the origin for the Decepticons in modern continuities.
     
  18. ABrown

    ABrown Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 23, 2010
    Posts:
    2,251
    Trophy Points:
    217
    Likes:
    +845
    I did get the impression in Beast Wars that Predacons felt like they were discriminated against by the Maximals on Cybertron.
     
  19. Not Blitzwing

    Not Blitzwing Nameslapped Seeker

    Joined:
    Feb 14, 2020
    Posts:
    267
    News Credits:
    2
    Trophy Points:
    112
    Location:
    Keystone
    Likes:
    +806
    This can also be said of Prime as well.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  20. LockdownTF

    LockdownTF Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 13, 2017
    Posts:
    306
    Trophy Points:
    142
    Likes:
    +271
    I remember in the dreamwave armada character profile books it describes the armada versions of Rhinox Predacon(aka beast machine Megatron) and Terrorsaur are cybertronians that willing mix the organic into their mechanical bodies. the entry states that most transformers find this idea repugnant so its safe to assume technoganic transformers are highly contempted by the purely mechanical.
     
    • Like Like x 1