Is one seed enough?

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  1. Minh'T

    Minh'T Descendant of Primus

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    I remember at the begining of the movie that it take like 8 or 9 Seeds to cyberform only a small area. So how could 1 seed be as powerful as a nuke ? :confused: 
     
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    Maybes they weren't as powerful all them millions of years ago and in that time technology changed and the blast radius was increased in them.
     
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    Of more concern is that they were going to let it off in the middle of the Mongolian Desert. It needs organic matter to turn into Transformium, so unless they're planning on importing a few herds of cows, they're not actually going to get their hands on that much raw material.

    Or maybe chubby scientist guy was just guessing. It's not as if he'd actually had a chance to examine the Seed at all.
     
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    Could be or he was more interested in the my little pony turning into another gun and just texted anything to him to keep Joshua from bothering them further
     
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    And we come to the meaning and differentiation between tactical nuclear weapons and strategic nuclear weapons.

    Tactical nuclear weapon - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    In the movie the Seed's range is described as a tactical nuke. Now tactical nukes yields vary. Also the Creators has these seed bombs with different yields.

    Lockdown's grenade is a Seed bomb as seen with Lucas turned to metal.

    The Seed is just another bomb with a higher yield. But note it is only guesstimate of Joshua's top scientist based on the geological survey of the Arctic Transformium find.

    Galvatron wanted to use the Seed on a concentrated metropolitan area like Hong Kong to produce as much Transformium as possible. Cause without organics Transformium can't be produced.
     
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    ^ 100%. Also a Tactical nuke more than likely comes in the form of a MIRV and there can be up to 10-12 MIRVs on a single missile. Typical nominal blast range for a tactical MIRV nuke is 5x Hiroshima at 50 KT. A MIRV itself would also be around the same size as the seed bomb.

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    As proven by the scene in the beginning - it can also turn Rocks, Sand and Grass that is caught in the blast radius. So no they wouldn't need to import any organic creatures as that's not how it works.

    The Seed's at the beginning may have actually been more similar to Lockdown's grenades - in a case where many are needed to do the same effect as an individual Seed. Not to mention that the beginning Seeds and Lockdown's grenades are identical - whereas the Seed shown with the main cast looks different.

    Actually according to the movie Transformium is shown to completely cover the area regardless of whether Organics were their or not - it DOES NOT require organics to create Transformium. Transformium is a by-product of the explosion and this is shown during several scenes.
     
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    Well, Galvatron was interested in detonating it in the largest city (which I guess is Hong Kong, but I am not sure). It could mean he too meant it had that big of blast radius.

    Edit: Looks like I got ninja'd. :p 
     
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    That is just the blast range. Note when Optimus and Hound get into explanation about the Seed there were multiple planets with extinction events just to create transformium.

    Lockdown's grenades are a scaled down version. Note most of the blast range is on fire with Lucas turned to metal.

    It has been explained in the seed exposition of the Autobots that the Seed needs organics to create transformium thus Megatron/Galvatron according to Brains intend to detonate it in a city for maximum effect.
     
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    One would assume that Galvatron just wanted a Human Holocaust starting with a massive explosion.

    To me it looks like Lucas was burned to a still toast figure.

    As for Optimus's and Hounds explanation, I'll have to re-watch that scene from Viooz.co again to confirm that. Even then, this doesn't in the least exactly make sense to me because the land-mass that was cyberformed during the flash-back aspect scene where the Creators ships are mining Transformium were extracting is what appears to be Cyberformed land mass, not piles of Cyber-formed bodies and skeletons like the Cyberformed T.rex you see in the beginning of the film. This is just a form of Bayformers Lore stupidity, like The Fallen not killing Optimus while he was dazed and weak in his premature strength, it doesn't have to make sense or have a reason. It's just because of Plot. Hell The Primes could have just constructed a ship to act as a Harvester and harvest any Sun in their wake without any orbiting planet but they didn't do that just so they can assert Stargate iconography and attribute Stone Age Human architecture to Aliens again.

    Why not domesticate their native planet's inferior organisms that have less cognitive abilities like their own (Alien Animals) and put them all in one big farm and cyber-form them instead? Of course you might argue that would mean they would run short supply of Quintesson Burger King resources if they over did it.
     
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    Actually, the way it was seemingly put forward is that Galvatron intended to detonate the Seed in the city to kill the maximum number of humans so that he would effectively kill two birds with one stone;

    - Turn a city into Transformium to create his army
    - Kill a large portion of humans on Earth

    It didn't have to have a large number of organics, it was just that the city was the biggest threat to Galvatron's new army and turning a city into Transformium would produce more Transformium than from the desert. If only organics produced Transformium then the KSI idea to set it off in a desert would be dumb - as nothing would happen. However, we are shown several times that it affects other things also - they don't have to be living - such as in the opening scene where it Terraforms a large area including dirt, grass, trees, rocks... (And not just the Dinosaurs)
     
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    Yes it is as Joshua was assuming he had all the answers.

    I don't think he is even aware of what Sparks are nor about Energon. Even if the US government spent loads of cash on Energon detectors.

    Note his hired geologist was trying to tell him that it occurred during an extinction era event yet he is not listening as all he is hearing is the cash register.

    His talk of replacing of the Autobots speaks of hubris. And his hubris makes him think all he needs is the Seed to produce Transformium.
     
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    Still think the whole necessity of finding organic life for the Seed to turn into Transformium is a really dumb idea - not sure how I missed that in the movie, maybe I was trying to think of a better explanation because my mind couldn't conceive how silly the idea of having to find organic life to create Transformers is.

    I mean that makes every Transformer be the product of a mass genocide... which is akward as it is. Then you factor in that the original idea of the Dinobots was that they would be Transformium'd Dinosaurs and you realise that it means that the other Transformers should all be Transformium'd creatures from varying planets...
     
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    It never said it was as powerful as a nuke they asked what the range of it was and the guy guessed as much as a tactical nuke or city.

    If you watch the movie they shot multiple seed from multiple ships to cause the dinosaur extinction.

    It also never said Lockdown's grenades were scaled down versions of the seeds.
     
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    Yeah 1 is enough. I dunno where you're pulling the number 8 or 9 from