IDW’s Transformers Comics Solicitations: October 2021

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  1. Downwash

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    I'm mostly a lurker but this discussion caused me to comment, geewuners are funny. Primus smiles on you today Spartan Prime.
     
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    exactly. Even in the movie the only form of money was shown in the form of “Energon goodies”. A tactic that even Hot Rod stated was getting expensive.

    but beyond that, pretty much any transformer will work for food. Sure, you have your quirky personality types that are greedy or entrepreneurs, but it certainly wasn’t the default setting.
     
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    Early in Season 1 he was very much of the "I will overthrow you and rule the Maximals" temperament which- as Maximals go- is not very status quo and he had that mentality for a few episodes before it tapered off. With Dinobot acting much less like a typical Predacon in the comics, maybe he'll be able to get fast-tracked into having an actual character arc. I feel like he's been kind of just an abbreviated version of the cartoon. But I was never much of a Beast Wars fan, so maybe I'm missing something.
     
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    If you force them to, people will also work for food. Most modern civilizations don't though because we've progressed beyond that type of employment. Which is, again, itself a result of specific political ideologies winning out over time.

    Hell, the whole "good vs. evil" thing is itself political. Because there are people out there who would view Megatron's motivations as justified and his goals aspirational and that type of thinking is, again, a political view that in some places has gained enough political power to influence society.

    In order for a story that's all about war to work, you need two factions with conflicting views. And "one is good and one is evil" only works because the good side and the evil side's ideologies are clearly defined in terms that humans can translate to similar concepts in their own lives.

    Megatron is bad because he's an aspiring dictator. This is generally viewed as "bad" and so the Autobots who oppose him are the good guys. "Freedom is the right of all sentient beings" is itself a political ideology. One that, until the Civil War era, was up for debate in the United States.
     
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    Or it’s basically their life‘s blood and without capitalism guiding their basic needs through the exchange of paper or pieces of metal, it makes a lot more sense to simply consider energon their main form of… Well… Pretty much everything.
     
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    Budiansky is the source of most (all?) of the character bios, which were used in whole or in part in the comics and cartoons. I think we can all agree that the material he produced was a lot more sophisticated than what ended up in the show, and somewhat more complex than what ended up in the comics (setting aside whether or not we liked one or the other more).

    There was always enough there for a far more sophisticated show OR comic than what we got. Both the comic and cartoon were used to shill toys. Based on the mandates from Hasbro at the time, the show got shafted harder - they were endlessly directed to write generic dialogue and keep things very, very tame to: A) introduce product as fast as possible; B) avoid the Reagan Era FCC, which was already watching them like a hawk due to the dubious value of the show, which thumbed its nose at the regulations regarding advertising and children's television.

    As a result, the cartoon is very, very simple. It's often devoid of any logic or sophisticated plot. One moment the Decepticons are attempting to parlay with the Nation of Carbombya, and the next they're building a fuck-you purple griffin. The show is fun and entertaining, but... yeah. It was stupid. Trying to assert that it's some kind of gold standard for what Transformers should be is... a dubious position.

    The comics tried something more sophisticated because it wasn't the big thing that put asses in the seats and consumers cranking away. It had some far more complex ideas. However, it also wrapped a paraplegic woman in a tinfoil bikini, who in turn tied herself to a pile of alien robot corpses for the purposes of committing robot murder, so there's that.

    The nature of entertainment is that it evolves, or it dies. Nostalgia can sustain a franchise up until the death of it's fanbase. If the franchise doesn't try to stay hip and relevant, it will eventually pass - so kudos to the modern comics for trying to be relevant. Regardless of whether you like it or not, it's one of the reasons Transformers still exist and we continue to enjoy and discuss them.

    However, there's something timeless about the good old fashioned "good guys vs. bad guys" dynamic. Harry Potter didn't become an international phenomenon because he embroiled himself in a trade embargo. Star Wars got kinda panned when it did. That said, I don't think anyone would have watched Game of Thrones if it was 6-7 seasons of Ned Stark twatting people with a sword.

    So it comes down to a matter of taste. It's not that any one thing is better than the other. Just different flavors of ice cream. Vanilla isn't better or worse than tutti frutti with everything on it, and consuming too much of either gives you the diabeetus.
     
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    That fucking purple Griffin is gonna haunt Megatron forever!!! Lol!!!

    You’re not wrong though. This is why most shows now have a story Bible before production even starts instead of five different creative teams handling a season in a week without even notes between each other so that it can be animated in time for the fall season premiere.
     
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    I should add, nothing about how Megatron's past was expanded on changes this. Even if the origins of the war were Megatron rising up from the mines and leading a revolt against the autocratic ruling class.

    As they say "the path to Hell is paved with good intentions." What differentiates Megatron (our villain) from Prime (our hero) is that even if they both view "liberation" as an end goal, how they choose to get there and what it looks like once they've arrived are drastically different.

    Cyberverse (and the Netflix series) actually touched on this, showing how Megatron/Prime at one point fought alongside one another. And even if the Autobots were, at one point, an autocratic upper class...how the war changes their views and their reactions to it is, again, political. This is why the ending to the Netflix trilogy is interesting. Prime wins by talking Megatron off the ledge while also seeing how his own actions only made things worse along the way.

    Seeing how this version of Primes resolves their conflict compared to how Bay's version cuts off Megatron's head and executes Sentinel after he's surrendered is a rather interesting contrast. One wins through diplomacy while the other wins with raw power. (And it speaks quite a bit about the philosophy of the writers of both).
     
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    Sure. But the point I was trying to make is that while it's fun to see good guys bash bad guys and not have to worry about anything else, some people want a little more to chew on than that. The G1 cartoon is at least 75% ridiculous nonsense. However, it did have story beats that touched on sophisticated pro-social concepts and ideas, like that whole episode where Seaspray learns that love amongst sapient creatures can transcend biology or some such stuff... or the one that's basically the same concept, but with Powerglide. That's not really too far off than some of the concepts that are relevant today, or the ones being discussed in the modern comics.

    The point being that it's all the same stuff, just served in a different way, with different levels of complexity.
     
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    Well yeah. Not to mention the Golden Lagoon episode, an origin based on beings that were literally created for slavery rebelling against their masters, even establishing social hierarchies and Shakesperian elements of betrayal and loyalty.

    Just because it was a “half hour toy commercial“ doesnt mean that the writers didn’t make the most out of their opportunity. It’s a testament to the power of the stories they told how much outrage the death of Optimus Prime brought upon everybody involved because they weren’t just a toy line at that point. Hell, they touched uppon stories and tropes that no cartoon today would even dare touch.
     
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    ....that's not the case. Like, at all.
     
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    I uh,

    I don't think that was ever the intent.
     
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    Really? How many multimedia franchises you know since have killed off their main franchise player?
     
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    So if the cartoon can provide those elements, why can't the comics attempt the same, but with more of the parts all filled in? How is that honestly any different that what they attempted for 5-10 year olds in 1984 vs. a comic clearly geared towards people that are 16+ years old now, who want a little more narrative meat and can't or won't be distracted by the one off episode where they turn Prime into a sewer gator?
     
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    All of them.
     
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    Depends on the time table, yeah? Power Rangers and Star Wars leap to mind immediately, and some of them even stayed dead.
     
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    And you know this for a fact?
    Intent or not, narratively if you look at the clues it makes perfect sense.

    Again why would literal floating squids chose to create a work force product that resembles gendered humanoids if not to cater to a certain consumer base?
     
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    We do not speak of City of Steel!!! Lol!!!
     
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    HA! Ok.
     
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    I can't prove that wasn't their intent just like I can't prove leprechauns don't exist, but a cartoon from the 80s basing their character designs off of stereotypical binary gender because that was really common in cartoons at the time is a lot more likely than sex slaves.
     
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