I still feel TFs is ready for a full fresh reboot.

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  1. tonyformer

    tonyformer Well-Known Member

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    I love the TFs movies and I'm positive that there will be 2 more movies in the Bay Verse style for TFs. And I do believe the next 2 movies will better tie into what has happened in this 4th movie but IMO it really is all a little to late.

    Let me explain.

    I understand the first TFs movie was a "lets try this and see If its excepted or not) trial type movie. And people ate it up because it was the first of its kind. A live action TFs movie had never been done. And I understand that they went into that movie with it being a stand alone movie.

    But seeing its success, I really do believe they should have sat down and from that point wrote out a full 3 movie trilogy each movie with its main movie plot but a far reaching coherent overall plot. This would have cut down on trying to make each movie fit with the last and having plot hole after plot hole and all the errors.

    Movies 2, 3 and 4 should have been our coherent trilogy. This mentality of going into each movie as a stand alone movie but then saying "oh it's meant to be a trilogy" and very loosely tiying them together very poorly I might add does not make a good trilogy. And here we are yet again trying to make sense of how this new movie is supposed to or intended to tie into past movies.

    Introducing the "creators" and this notion of them building TFs is all good but something that IMO should have been done 2 movies ago and better explained how this history works with what we were told of the AllSpark.


    All and all, I'm excited to see the next 2 movies as I'm positive they will come. But I want a trilogy or however many movies to be better written and more well crafted as a overall history and plot.
     
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    I have always enjoyed and defended the movies, tolerated Bay and his schizophrenic filming and story telling, and voted with my wallet with tickets and DVD/blue rays. But I realized during AOE that this has about run its course and its just going to get more insane and ludicrous from here.

    There has just been too much making it up as they went, not really doing a good job of tying it all together, and a whole lot of not clearing things up decently. I thought DotM was honestly the most fun to watch of the four, made the most sense, and had a very compelling villain in Sentinel. I kind of wish that had been it.

    AoE didn't hit those notes for me. I kind of finally see what many saw in RotF - even though I personally never disliked RotF myself - that most hate it. I don't quite hate AoE, but it leaves me almost afraid to ask - What's next....?

    Basically I feel the same way. Sure, I will look forward to seeing the next installment when it comes, but it'd be better for the franchise in the long run to start looking for a clean slate, and soon.
     
  3. SunSwipe5

    SunSwipe5 Twin Hellion Masters Of Jet Judo

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    The Bayverse ship has sailed. While there were some good scenes in AOE, overall, the movie was not all that good. I like to call it the Blitzwing of the four movies, because it was schizophrenic in the storylines. Bay's version of the franchise has staled. I think it's time for a new director, new writers and a fresh new vision.
     
  4. MV95

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    They're trying to "Fast and Furious" these movies lol. The first three FF films had sloppy stories with continuity errors and things that came out of right field and then in the fourth they started creating a coherent plot that extends through three (soon four) movies. Now look at Transformers 4. Looks like they're attempting the exact same thing.
     
  5. tonyformer

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    I'm glad I'm not crazy in thinking so lol. I love what Bay has done to give us the movies he has and without him, I don't think anyone would have attempted it. At least not in the way he did. I'm sure a reboot will come and I too am just as excited to see a new take and a story that is written in a way that everything makes sense to the viewers and can easily be expanded on. This each movie is its one story is not helping the franchise at all.
     
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    First off, thank you for actually saying your opinions using logic and not just saying Bay ruined everything. Let me start out by saying that I see where the reboot people are coming from. I think that AOE was the best out of the four movies, with more robot characterization, a reasonably powered OP, and a great villain. I think that if Bay were to keep going (which imo he will), he could open up the Movieverse a lot more. Imagine if we can have even half a movie where OP discovers other TF races that exist out there like how the humans discover the unknown TFs. Capture the mystery of TF 1 and relate it back to the story.

    I think the Movies' weaknesses lie in the fact that they do not plan them out as they go. I do have hope for this trilogy, as Bay has got to know who the Creators are and who the Knights are. Hopefully, they can expand from there in sequels and tie it back to ROTF. So far, they are going well.

    I think that after the new trilogy, the time will come for a reboot. Let Bay finish this trilogy first so it comes to a proper conclusion.
     
  7. tonyformer

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    Agreed. The funny thing is, I have for the past 3 years now been writing my own reboot story and am up to 3 movies that IMO flow great and explain everything I aim to get across. Why can't the pros do this?
     
  8. tonyformer

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    I agree 100%
     
  9. Dotmshockwave

    Dotmshockwave Senior Robotic Citizen

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    Funny tony i have done almost the same, but I have come up with about 7 movies but yeah
     
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    I believe some of the concept art for Lockdown was dated as being in 2009;

    "Of interest is that some of these pieces are dated 9.26.09 or 9.27.09 - so could Paramount have been talking about using Lockdown in Transformers 4 as early as two months after the release of Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen?"

    So chances are that Ehren Kruger mapped out his plan for the future movies and has been setting the stage since DOTM when he gained full control of the script. In truth AOE, TF5 and TF6 is a reboot. The only surviving Autobots have a massively different personality and their is little linking it to the prior films other than a singular event.

    • DOTM established an event that would set the stage for AOE delving into the 'robots in disguise aspect'
    • AOE brought in the creators, Lockdown and expanded the universe with Optimus leaving
    • TF5 will deal with revealing the creators and the resulting fallout of Autobots having no leader, tensions between Earth and Transformers will be high
    • TF6 would then bring in a large threat, humans are forced to work with Transformers on a global scale that finally gets Earth to acknowledge the Autobots as heroes.

    Though I agree it should have been a proper reboot and easily can be made into one by trimming the Chicago references.

    I get the feeling every TF fan has done this... myself included :p 
     
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    I want them to finish the bay verse and then reboot.
     
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    VaderPrime1 Prepare for termination!

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    No!!! They just set up such a great story with the creators, the Knights of Cybertron, and Optimus's journey! Maybe just a new director?

    Finish this awesome storyline and reboot it 5-6 years after that.
     
  14. tonyformer

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    Like I said, as much as I want a fresh reboot, I'm positive there will be 2 more movies in this current universe as Bay has set up. And to reply to the link you posted, they have said the same exact thing about the last 2 movies. Money talks. This movie posts positive box office numbers and we will get another for sure.
     
  15. Ash from Carolina

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    Paramount seems terrified of taking the risk of a reboot. Things would have been so much easier to just reboot GI Joe than restrict GI Joe 2 with the task of change everything but somehow also stay completely true to the first film because someone somewhere might have liked the first film. I think it's going to be like Star Trek where Paramount is just going to have run Transformers into the ground before they reboot.

    It also seems like Bay's ego will never ever allow him to hand Transformers over to anyone else. While he might say he's tired of Transformers he's not going to let go of Transformers either.

    Hasbro doesn't seem to care either way because they always have something to else to sell that is Transformers related when retailers get tired of movie toys.

    Until franchise fatigue hits China hard enough to force Paramount to change I don't see any real change until after a box office bomb. People on the production team and people at Paramount just don't give a damn if you are happy or not as long as they can get a dollar or two off someone else.