I seriously don't understand why...

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  1. BumblebeeNotOP

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    people hate the AOE KSI bots' transformations. Sure that they don't look like the usual transformations and they animated less stuff into those sequences, but personally I found that cool. It's also a neat way to go to battle, as it's sort of like a kind of teleportation (as seen with Galvatron evading Bee's missiles) and it kind of sets the KSI bots from organic Cybertronians.
     
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    It's cheap and lazy. Half the fun of Transformers is how a robot reconfigures its own body into that of something else. KSI transformations kill the very namesake gimmick while also making lousy toys - seriously, Galvatron's toy is entirely back kibble because not one iota of the robot actually has truck parts.
     
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    I think it's because people didn't like how they "cheat" transformation and that they're not "true" transformers despite that being the entire point of what the KSI bots are supposed to be. They're not truly transformers in the Cybertronian sense but rather the way humans have made them to shape into one form into another. From the looks of it we won't be seeing any KSI bots in TLK anyway so for those who didn't like it in AOE won't have to worry about them showing up again for TLK.
     
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    On top of being a bad idea in the first place, the CG really hasn't aged well either. Watch it now on a nice TV, and then watch Optimus transforming to fight Bonecrusher.
     
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    I understand people not liking the KSI transformations, even though I personally love them and the concept of Transformium for myriad reasons.

    I think the TV Tropes page on Fridge Brilliance and Fridge Horror in AOE says it well.

    Additionally, it also makes sense that most of the KSI Decepticons do not make good use of the ability with the exception of Galvatron given he is possessed by a powerful Decepticon mind.

    Also, the Transformers being made of a programmable metal makes sense given that Cybertronians in this universe scan alt modes, and Transformers need to adapt the textures and colors of their alt modes and make it seamless. Cybertronians do not conveniently have leather or rubber or rust or glass or skin or hair or mucous-covered membranes (the latter three in the case of Pretenders) stored inside just in case they come to Earth.
     
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    Besides "cheap and lazy", it's just not particularly interesting to look at. You can watch a regular transformation a dozen times and still pick up new parts to keep track of, but even all that is just one way one particular bot does it -- there are dozens more for you to ogle at! The KSI way it's just all uniform cubes, flowing about the same way every time. Meh.

    Plus, you'd think it'd be the other way around. The natural-'born' alien shapeshifters would get the otherworldly version while the crude human knockoffs would have to be very manual by necessity.
     
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    Maybe it would have been better if the KSI bots had been handled like Nemesis Prime was in the Prime series. I mean Nemesis Prime in that series was created pretty similar to the KSI bots; a man-made drone that has no will of its own, created by human studying a dead transformer, and is controlled by humans through the use of computer programs. Only difference is that Nemesis Prime actually transforms exactly the same way as the Transformers.
     
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    I think the cubeformation would've been best as one character's gimmick like Stinger.

    Still miffed that the instability wasn't used as a plot point. Like them cubing around made them more likely to blow up, forcing the Autobots to trick them into transforming more rather than just fighting like normal. What was the point of calling it unstable, then?
     
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  9. Ash from Carolina

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    There is no universal to what is cool and what is not cool. Some people love Westerns and other people rather go to the dentist than watch a Western. I love anime but that doesn't mean that everyone on the planet loves anime. So some people are going to love the KSI transformations and other people aren't going to like them at all.

    Personally I'm in the don't like it all camp. Just feels lazy to me and like Paramount was attempting to get out cheap. For me it would be like going to see a werewolf movie expecting something like the transformation in American Werewolf in London only to find out the person goes from human to wolf by melting and reforming like Odo on Deep Space Nine.

    For the live action movies I don't even like the Cybertronian alt modes, just seems to easy to cheat. I want to see how they get from an Earth mode to their robot mode with only moving around parts. Heck I've even read the posts where fans try to figure out where they cheated and where they didn't cheat with transformations.
     
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    I see why people don't like it because it's not like regular transformations, but I think they're missing the point. I'm sure the concept was thought up before someone said 'let's make the KSI bots transform in a way that saves money on the CGI budget', or 'we can't be bothered to do these ones properly'.

    The way I interpret it is that the Transformium is digitally programmed to take on certain forms by the humans as opposed to the very complex physical changes that are built into Cybertronians by the creators, so the pixelated style fits in with that. I would imagine that Josh and KSI think their transformation is better and more elegant than the Cybertronians', but the fact it's viewed as cheap and uninteresting by the audience just goes to demonstrate that the KSI bots definitely aren't superior.

    I can't see them using again in TLK, so I don't know why people are worrying about that. There's no evidence that any of the bots will be human made this time round, other than a possible Galvatron. Josh is on it, but that doesn't mean he's still still building them.
     
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    If you enjoyed them, well than, that's your taste.
    For me the proper transformations is what makes the characters unique from all other Hollywood movies, like terminator for instance.
    T1000 was cool in Terminator, but this is Transformsrs. The characters are supposed to..transform. Meaning all of the alt mode parts change and rearrange to form a robot.

    Part of what made TF1 memorable is how realistic the transformations were on the big screen.
    The KSI represents a cheap knock off of what the real Cybertronians are. Besides, KSI robots were made humans so their designs will always be inferior to the real thing.
     
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    The ksi transformation just 10 percent of movie lover will like it, because it just a mess.
     
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    Another thing, while not related to the KSI transformations, but to a KSI bot, why do people still think that Galvatron and Megatron will exist simultaneously? Isn't Megatron in Galvatron already?
     
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    That's one of the few things I found cool.
     
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    It's just a copy.
     
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    For me, I disliked the transformation when I found out it was a transformation for all the KSI bots. It just didn't have that cool factor as it would have if it was a special transformation that only Galvatron had. Something that could have been used to make him unique. I mean the transformation sequence of the 3 in 1 Garbage truck KSI combiner could have been really sweet if it was a labored, forced transformation much like how we got with Devs in ROTF.

    But seeing the Garbage truck split into a swarm of lego blocks just to form 3 different KSI bots was not as cool IMO as a full transformation we are used to.

    The whole lego transformation sequence did feel really cheap IMO.
     
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    Though the thing is there why would Stinder of Galvatron just randomly transform like that if the rest of the KSI bots had a normal transformation?

    I agree with you, Split Lip, that they could've show that they were vulnerable while in their pixelated state, though as it is, Galvatron seemed to show that it was an advantage in avoiding being hit.
     
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    I have to agree. The regular TRANSFORMATIONS are way better. The KSI bots remind me more of T-1000 from Terminator 2 than transformers.
     
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    Because they suck.
     
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    The KSI bots are NOT Cybertronians. They're copies. Whether you like it or not hasn't got anything to do with it, they're quite clearly not friggin' Cybertronians so stop complaining about everything KSI/AOE/Bay/ILM.

    Supposed to be bloody different.
     
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