How to tell the new KO Reissues apart from authentic toys.

Discussion in 'Transformers Toy Discussion' started by JunkersHVN, Mar 15, 2007.

  1. BenjaminXavier

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    The packaging looks legitimately aged. The KOs of Prime (there have been no reissues in that packaging) are really terrible quality. So unless the person bought a KO and spent a few days carefully aging the packaging you're probly ok. The KOs also don't have styrofoam inserts.
     
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    The box is 100% legitimate. I have no doubts about that. The figure looks just like my Optimus, so I think it's real as well. One of the main things that is different from a KO and original is the pins holding the wheels on, and they all appear to be correct. I think you're good.
     
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    Thank you all for looking! I'm glad I got the real thing. That's a relief. I was going nuts looking all over internet for comparisons and checking for clues.
     
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    Here's another easy check when you get him in hand. A real Optimus will have no peg on the inner smokestacks to keep them aligned. The upper arm will have a hole almost as if a peg should click into it, (this hole is hidden directly behind the smokestack) but there will be no such peg on either smokestack. I hope this makes sense, its hard to explain through text.
     
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    Cool, thanks for the tip! I think I remember seeing that in one of the comparison videos I saw as well as looking for numbers and other markings on the figure and trailer.
     
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    I have a way.

    so far the KO's have been better quality. seriously. When I get a Hasbro/takara piece that the pieces don't fit together as well as a KO, then something clearly is a foul.
     
  7. OmegaTaco Supreme

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    The KO G1 Prime I picked up has styrofoam, but has gray cardboard in front of it.

    I have a couple KO MP figures. Some you can tell like Wheeljack the paint is a little sloppy, but some of my other ones are better them the originals.
     
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    I've read that G1 ko Motormaster has a different head with some circles on the forehead,I tried to look at Youtube reviews but images aren't defined enough.
    Please,can you tell me how I can distinguish a G1 from a KO?
     
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    Image courtesy of highendtfs.com.

    Zoom in on the image if you have to and look at the circles on the grey plastic on each side of his head which are lined up with the mouth horizontally.

    On the legit Motormasters, those circles don't extend very far, while on the KO, it seems they're very prominent.

    The circles above the head are actually on the grey bar above the head (highlighted in the above image by light squares). No circles on the legit Motormaster, but you can definitely see them on the KO.

    There may be newer versions of the KO that correct these differences - I'm not sure if they put out a new version or not.

    MIKE
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    I've checked and my G1 Motormaster is the real one ,above head there aren't circles ,as I hoped.
    Thanks very much,you've been very clear in explaining.
     
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    Is there anything to look out for, when considering a MP-02 Hasbro on eBay (purple box)? Looking for the authentic figure, not a KO or 3P.
     
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    He was not KO'd in that packaging. The KO is in Takara packaging, or no package
     
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    Thanks BenjaminXavier!

    I ordered an MP-13 reissue off of eBay and was wondering if you guys could check it out for authenticity? It has the life design logo on the box and the number looks stamped, not knifed. I used this thread:
    KO MP13 Soundwave Takara boxed visual differences - Ozformers Transformers Club of Australia (otca.com.au)

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    Pros:
    - No indentations in the arm like the KO has in the picture on otca.
    - life design logo
    - stamped number on the bottom, not knifed.
    - individual fingers are not articulated, only 1 finger and the 3 fingers are one unit.

    Cons:
    - Back of the box, soundwave's laserbeak in the chest is black and white like the KO box is (although this is the reissue box and not the original).
    - Faint glow around soundwave and laserbeak, but it's there.

    Here's a full album:
    Imgur

    EDIT: Did I just get a KO MP-13?
    ^ Looks like my exact concerns were shared by someone who also purchased the re-issue but people said it's legitimate.
     
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    Find a review on YouTube and they'll always suggest trusted websites. They may cost more, but it's worth it for the guaranteed authenticity.
     
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    Thanks man, unfortunately this guy isn't available for retail on any trusted sites. But thanks for the suggestion on looking up a comparison on youtube, I used this one:


    and I'm 100% sure mine is authentic. For anyone that finds this discussion on the internet, key points:
    • Decepticon logo on his chest has rounded points (looks more cartoony) on KO but not on the Taraka version (sharp, angular).
    • Gold accents are more vibrant on the KO
    • KO added ratchets to the ankles and joints that the authentic one doesn't have
    • silver paint is slightly more powdery on the KO
    • facemask is beat up and looks crappy on the KO
    • laserbeaks colors are off on the KO
    • The KO has indentations on the elbow/forearms (see my link above for pictures)
    • stamp on the bottom of the box is stamped (real), not etched in with a knife (KO)
    • KO has fully articulated fingers, authentic has 1 (other 3 fingers are one unit)
    • 2017 reissue (Long Life Design logo) has a blue outline around the eyes, KO does not.
     
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  16. WhatAnEpicTurtle

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    I'm about to purchase this Prime from a private seller. He says it's a genuine 80's Prime, but i'd just like to be sure.

    These images attached are the photos he provided. The box looks legit as it has an Argos sticker on it and they never stocked re-issues.

    Are there any dead giveaways here that it's a KO? The bumper is broken but that's easily fixed.
     

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    I'm no expert on these things, but the "Made in France" stamping on the trailer is troublesome.

    Comprehensive G1 Counterfeit / "Knockoff" ID Guide | HIGHENDTFS.COM<br> G1 Counterfeit ID Guides

    It could be legit, it could be a KO. I think with the legit "Made in France" Primes, the cab's legs are very dark...can't tell from the photos.

    Also, that instruction booklet is definitely not vintage.

    The box looks old enough to be legit as I don't think you can't fake tape yellowing.

    Overall, though, like I said, I'm not an expert on these things and hopefully someone can provide more of a definitive answer.

    MIKE
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    Anyone have info on MP Prowl? MP-17 and MP-04 (Hasbro) specifically?

    Hunting for a replacement (mp-17) and I'm wondering if there was ever a KO version of the TRU MP-04? That seems like the safest bet if there isn't (for buying on eBay).
     
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    Are there any known KOs of either Black Big Convoy or the Nemesis Prime version of that mould? Having got Ultra Mammoth and the recent reissues of Big Convoy and Blue Big Convoy, I kinda want the set, but have no idea if the ones I've seen for sale are KOs or not...
     
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    Which Titans Returns / Power of the Primes Legends class toys DO NOT have a KO.

    for example Cosmos, Outback, Cindersaur - do any of those have KO's ?