Horrible Fandom Ideas

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  1. Honorbound

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    I had figured that nanorobots would be the only way for Transformers to pull off the transformations and reformattings they do. Otherwise, where do the car's seats and steering wheel go in robot mode? Where does the robot's head and hands go in vehicle mode? I would think that both sets of components would break down into their constituent nanorobot parts and reform their other mode's parts. Not all parts would break down, which is why you have vehicle parts on the robot mode. I think that Transformers operating this way would keep some kibble just to save energy on transforming. Also, in Beast Wars, the protoforms were explicitly shown to be made of nanomachines, as in "The Spark," the episode that debuted Airazor.

    Good point, one that I hadn't considered. I need to go back and rethink some of my theology.
     
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    ......aren't sparklings, um, canon?
     
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  4. Soundwaver

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    Kinda. There's Wheelie and Sari is a child. Her protoform is very fetus like. However they're very rare and hardly pay attention too.
     
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    In the Sunbow cartoon, there was usually a bright energy effect whenever something would conspicuously appear or disappear, implying either matter-to-energy conversion or (as some official sources have said happens to Optimus Prime's trailer) a "subspace pocket". We often see the same during scanning and reformatting. Megatron's conversion to Galvatron had him reduced to a glowing wire frame before taking on his new form. To me, this has all implied matter itself being fundamentally reshaped rather than a colony of smaller robots shifting around. Simon Furman's G2 comics would gibe with the "nanomachine colony" idea though.

    Just because it's been done doesn't mean I have to like it ;) 

    Anyway, I'll have to watch the episode again, but I don't recall it being implied that the protoforms were made entirely of nanomachines. And if they are, they don't remain that way, or they'd be much easier to repair and much harder to kill. They'd be like the T-1000, or Odo from Deep Space 9. We also explicitly see transformers being manufactured and assembled from parts in G1 (both Marvel and Sunbow). It probably differs by continuity. But if we take it all as one mythos, then I think what makes the most sense is that there's a core physical robot that's supplemented with nanomachines for various maintenance and repair functions--basically a less fanciful version of what we saw inside Megatron in Microbots.

    They weren't. It was strictly fanfic terminology until IDW used it. Appropriately, fan-created character Windblade introduced the term into canon. That would still qualify is "horrible fandom ideas" since that's where it comes from.

    However, the canonical use does not seem to match the original use in fanfic. IDW's use appears to be metaphorical, whereas the fanfic version was literal and rather biological.
     
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    I thought sparklings were always cannon since they do show them a very times, like the ones I mention before. I just thought they never use that word.
     
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    Like you said, it varies from continuity to continuity. Consistency and Transformers don't go well together. It's like the old "implementing a unified method" problem. Somebody comes up with a new idea to consolidate everything and use one standard going forth, and all they end up doing is creating a new method on top of the ones already existing. Look at the Aligned continuity.

    Even if they were solely made up of nanobots, I'd imagine that some of the structures made of nanobots are rather vital - losing them means the TF in question is gonna have a really bad day.
     
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    Cryptwire Cybertronian Engineer/Sniper

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    I think at the end of the day, we are just arguing about semantics whether a Cybertronian spark is akin to a human soul.

    In my thinking, they are different so we cannot ascribe the characteristics of a human soul from a philosophical or theological standpoint to a Cybertronian spark and vice versa.

    Whatever mechanisms a human soul has cannot be translated into a Cybertronian spark, being the latter is a fictional concept. But, a spark is its own thing, a kind of energy-based generic marker that determines Cybertronian identity and distinguishes one Cybertronian from another.

    Sure, it does have characteristics and features of a soul. But what it most likely is is an energy-based genetic marker, a vast collection of quantum information that makes a Cybertronian a Cybertronian. That energy-based imprint can be used, then, for reproduction and to propagate the species, sort of like creating a new vessel of information and codes to produce another new and unique spark.
     
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    I used to be one of those 'wait...spike/valve/prego bots? Frag no!' but it grew on me.

    THAT said, I did come up my own concept for reproduction that would make sense for them. It's similar to budding, only it requires a spark merge and a couple of hardline connections between the potential creators. Like in many fanfiction, the newspark stays in the chamber until it is 'mature'. BUT for it get a protoform the carrier MUST be on Cybertron or a colony world, where it can be let out and build it's own from the surface of the planet. Cold construction is possible, but it runs the risk of 'rejection' (i.e. the bot goes berserk).

    More on topic...I haven't really seen any 'horrible' ideas. Maybe I'm just lucky (or blocked them out). I am largely against MegXStar ships on the other hand....

    Then again...I'm one of those that think Starscream needs a blanket and hugs (more like 'he's been through a lot of scrap that turned him into what he is...some of it against his will').
     
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    Cryptwire Cybertronian Engineer/Sniper

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    Be that as it may, not a fandom idea and also not that a horrible idea, but something I’m not a big fan of:

    It starts with the 2007 movie where Cybertronian vision has a heads-up, GUI, terminator-like vision.

    I’m not that a big fan of visible augmented reality, GUI information in their vision. I just like and prefer it to be natural, fluid and organic, instead of robotic or machine-like. This goes back to my belief that Cybertronians are natural living organisms as opposed to artificial beings. This is one of my peeves that is repeated in The Bumblebee movie when you see in the trailer “Memory Core, Critical Failure”.

    Being natural living organisms, I’d imagine they’d have normal stereoscopic vision, but sharper than a human’s, sharper than normal, and sharper than most, of course. If they scan something to assume an alt-mode, I don’t mind the gridlines (hexagon or otherwise) to represent an object is being scanned for an alt-mode as shown in the Bee trailer when Bee scans the Volkswagen through his vision before he passed out. I won’t even mind if they could see through different spectra and frequencies of light (x-ray, thermal, infrared, night vision, etc. ala-predator).

    But I’m really not a big fan of their “terminator”-like visions that started with the 2007 movie, as much as I’m not a fan of blue eyes = good guys, red eyes = bad guys.
     
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    I normally don't care honestly, people can do whatever they want, I'm a "don't like don't read" person, but concepts I don't really like:

    Sparklings, cybertronians having children, in general, is pretty silly to me, have a not very mature cybertronian that ACTS like a "kid" is fine but they as actual babies is meh (and I don't think Sari counts since she is half human.)

    Seekers being a completely different type of cybertronians that have overly sensitive wings and have to be in a "spark bond" with trines or they get depressed or something, it just sounds weird to me tbh. I guess I just like the "Seekers are a Decepticon military rank" concept better...

    I mean, again, people do whatever they want, do they want to write/draw about what I just said? good for them, have fun and enjoy yourself I guess

    Also, you mentioned the "valve/spike" concept, I don't really care about it, I think it's fine, it's just something people use for porn for the sake of porn, wished they are called something else tho, poor Spike Witwicky.
     
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    There have been child-like Transformers with little or no explanation. But a "sparkling" in fanfic has usually referred to the product of spark reproduction, either through "spark mitosis" (like budding) or especially through conjugation--i.e. two sparks literally mate to create a new spark, hence "sparkling". The presence of small transformers does not imply that this takes place.
     
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    my take:
    Reproduction would have to come from a Darwinian perspective.
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    • a) If quintessons were the creators, (and maybe didn't want the robots to reproducs - but the episode said 'robots that make robots' or so) we could anyways assume after their 'departure' something like frogs on earth. Why would a now independent species not seek a way to increase its numbers (and chances of survival etc etc etc)
    • b) my take on transformers materials, is mostly from IDW sixshot, (sure smelting pools to a degree), but if Sixshot (and the other phase sixers) had 'special blends' of metals then:
    1. We could assume each tf has a very specific (and unique) 'mixture of metals'.
    2. mitosis and miosis - the advantage of reproduction would be to bring together information -from 2 parents-
    3. just like DNA metal for 'forging' might require 'additional information' to become 'alive'- joining information, the details of your 'material and supposedly transformation rivets' - see IDW Rebirth, where scourge is reborn thx to galvatrons dark matrix.
    4. 'child transformers': 1 as mass displacement - 2 that the small size would be a consequence of a 'new spark' (or rather power source) to grow, adapt and learn, mass displacement AND transformation. Specifically, Gazzelles must learn to walk 1 hour after birth in the Savana, and Humans have the longest 'educational' period on the planet. Also and from a more Neurological perspective, Babies spend their first 2 years 'killing off neaural connectors' - meaning that u have -at birth- some 1000 ways to 'command' your left pinky to move. In adulthood we have reduced those commands to 2 or 3 (we can reactivate sleeper 'commands' but... too deep) .
    5. If we take the cartoons (Japanese included) we can explain the initial 'lack' of children as a part of cybertronian evolution. With different alternatives, and eventually DURING PEACE times (or more stable times -later cartoons) reproduction and child bearing might have become more 'popular'.
    To support the idea of Metal DNA being a thing, archaeologists (or rather scientists in this case) can examine people's teeth, to find out where they have been during life (each food has traces of the soil it comes from and can be traced back, even hundreds of years later)
     
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    She is half human. However before she scan anything, her protoform is very child like.
     
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    Jumping back a little...
    Some of the more notorious examples of this idea include robotic dicks and vaginas, robotic wombs and gestation, and even robotic mammary glands for energon lactation. In other words, take the entire human reproductive process and make it "robotic" with sparks and CNA, and energon. There are detailed illustrations out there, but you might as well just spray some silver paint on a "Visible Woman" anatomy model, and you'll get the idea.

    In my view, most other variations are trying to do the same thing but in a less direct, less obvious way. They're starting from what we're familiar with and just trying to step back and modify it to varying degrees.
     
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    Yeah... but it could have been a minicon protoform, in the episode where shows Prowl with his master there are a bunch of other protoforms that are more adult-like/taller, so maybe it wasn't to represent a kid, just a small cybertronian?
     
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    I think Sari was always supposed to be special. It's entirely plausible that her protoform was a "child" but even if she was, she's not a normal example of the Transformer life cycle.
     
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    This is one of the times where I wish TFA wasn't canceled, I pretty sure they had plans to explain better wtf Sari was and how her protoform even got to earth with Megatron..
     
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    True, but the the features are very child like in both size and proportion. Even minicons have adult proportions. We may never know because CN decided to pull the plug too early.
     
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    Those stuff aren't seen in just humans, but also other organic life forms. It's the reason why I'm using the word organicized. However transformers are inorganic life forms. This reminds of one person I know of who believes that they actual have private parts. I think he call himself Tramp.