Honest Question: Does anyone want ONLY G1 and nothing else?

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  1. Lord Dcast

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    I wanna ask y'all a question; is there ANYONE who actually doesn't want Hasbro producing non-G1 transformers? I'm not asking if you prefer G1 and just ignore the other lines, I'm asking if there's anyone who's actively frustrated that Hasbro does stuff like Studio Series & Beast Wars. Is there actually anyone out there who wants Hasbro to focus 100% on g1 with no room for anything else?

    Not looking for a 'yes or no' answer in particular. Honestly interested in the deeper reasons behind why people collect, and why on so many reveals we see such negative discourse because it doesn't represent the G1 source material. Just looking for deeper insight.
     
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    I'm a G1 fan since that was when I grew up. That being said, I do like some of the other designs, but it has to be something special for me to get it. As for Beast Wars, not a fan at all of the designs. If they were more techno style like the Predacons and Dinobots, I would be interested. The organic designs and excessive kibble don't interest me at all.
     
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    The vast majority of my toys are G1 updates because I love a lot of the characters and the more minor ones have great designs. My favorite show is Beast Wars, though, and a lot of the movie toys excite me more than the G1 ones because of the complex designs and real-world alt modes. G1 is still my focus though. That said I'm disappointed with the increasingly boring designs we've been seeing since Siege. They lack character and just seem so stiff and lifeless and there's nothing really innovative about any of them. Studio Series hasn't had much for me but they're hitting it out of the park with creative takes on characters who never had proper toys before and amazing updates on popular characters. Similarly I have no interest in Cyberverse but there are some clever gimmicks and fun new characters.

    I'm mostly in this for the toys. One of my favorite lines ever is Power Core Combiners which is heavily overlooked, it is full of wonderful new character designs and a cool gimmick even if it's lacking in execution. If G1 designs were doing that like they used to around 2010 I would be fine, but that's not what's happening right now, so I encourage the non-G1 toys more than ever.
     
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    I'm not gonna say that I only want G1, but I will say it's my primary focus. I've never been interested in any other styles and designs (BW, Animated, PRiD, etc.), but I wouldn't be upset if Hasbro started updated those styles in Generations. I just simply wouldn't buy them.

    I've said this before elsewhere but I fully intend to continue buying almost all the G1 updates Hasbro is putting out until part 3 of this current trilogy is done, then I will be done collecting. But of all other series, I'm still quite fond of the Armada aesthetic. So if Hasbro should revisit some Unicron Trilogy designs after next year (2022 is the 20 year anniversary of Armada so I wouldn't be surprised to see some updated Armada figures then), I would more than likely grab a couple depending on which characters get updated.
     
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    I’m interested in G1 versions of other characters (like the recent Hot Shot) but other than that I simply don’t care about the beasts or any of the other variants.
     
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    Please innovate the brand
     
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    You asked the same question on Facebook and I abstained from answering, but I will here.

    First, it completely depends on what someone is collecting, and why.

    Second, it depends if the person is collecting because they truly like what the MacGuffin is, or if they are actually only following a thread to be part of a group or such but will eventually tire and jump on the next bandwagon.

    Then third, is the environment... can the person afford the expenses relating to such a collection, can they commit, how big or how small must the collection be for them to be happy.

    For myself, I'm a robot and other science fiction collector for a good 40+ years now, my collection is fairly large and while Transformers have become a good part of it especially because of the last few series that pulled my interest compared to before where I'd get the figures that would draw my interest... I consider myself fairly knowledgeable about TFs overall but while I truly do enjoy the media (cartoons, movies,etc.) I don't go overboard like I've seen some do.

    I enjoy the Bay movies for what they are, and while some concept I'm not a big fan about, I feel the same about parts of the cartoons and the comics. It's fiction, entertainment, and that's it to me... the toys are my passion.


    So, for your question, to me, I can't care what series the robots are from, as long as they are nice, well done, fun, I will probably get them.. and I have some from pretty much every series ever made, and my favourites are from any of these series.

    I would be blunt and say that when I see someone that bashes anyone over their preference (not being the same as theirs) of a series, I most certainly lose any respect for that person. Anyone using the derogatory term "geewun" or similar would be an example of such. I would say that I've seen the complete opposite in many threads from some, with comments about wanting G1 to disappear completely, and a LOT of hate towards it, if only because they are younger and grew up with the following series and fell entitled that only "their" series is worth anything.

    Many forget that 1) these are TOYS, and 2) the fiction is fallible and details can change according to the writer, and the "cannon" that they believe in, well... is nothing more than fiction, but they loose that perspective about it. I've seen some argue and analyze sections of the media as if this is a real life historical event that requires a complete analysis to the point of absurdity.

    So between my years of lurking, the various forums, groups, etc. and the time I've actively participate, the answer about "anyone wants only G1 and nothing else" is no as far as I know, and I've never seen a single person that is locked in such a "belief", but I have seen the opposite multiple times (that there truly is hate against G1).

    All this to say that if someone gets upset because "their" wanted figure wasn't the one that came out, get mad and rant against that figure... they should consider re-evaluating a lot about their lives and why they are collecting.

    I enjoy the fact that many figures are getting released, as they might be helping their engineers to develop new approaches , new designs, etc. so when they do a figure that I would be interested in, it might be better for it! and everyone wins. And if it keeps the brand going... even better to have lots of figures that pulls people in.

    In the end, there is no right or wrong, and no one should think that their opinion about any series should be more "right" than any other.

    People should do like I do ;) ... complain about lack of quality and accessories and such.... so that we end up with better figures for everyone, if only Hasbro could listen.
     
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    They did this though, between 1984 and 86'. 100% built G1 toys and you can still buy the whole range today, even brand new and sealed.

    They along with takara have been reissuing plenty too in a constant stream since 2002 ish.

    But beyond the nostalgia, that pure vintage vibe; and this is coming from a huge G1 fan, most of the G1 toys were rubbish, had limited articulation and looked nothing like the comics or show especially compared to masterpiece, siege or earthrise figures.

    Scale was all over the place and they fit the cartoon/animation designs to many toys readily available and already produced by other brands; which were subsequently re branded as transformers.

    The cartoon is hard to watch compared to the more modern ones. I watch it regularly with full nostalgia chanelling that inner child and it takes me back but objectively it's not great.

    I wouldn't change any of it though. Transformers were one of the greatest society defining toy and animation genres of the 80s.

    But thankfully they moved on.
     
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    Not me. I'd view anyone who did with suspicion.

    I don't want anything non G1/IDW (and I qualify it like that because I am aware of the large number of non-G1 characters that IDW has used in what was essentially a G1 comic). No interest whatsoever. Stuff after 1989 holds no meaning for me (and lots of it actively repulses me, as does a big chunk - micro-masters, pretenders, action masters - of later G1). Don't want to read about it either (which is why I don't bother with threads, or parts of threads, that aren't about G1).

    But I'm not such a self-centred arsehole that I want them to not produce anything else. Them making whatever else they choose doesn't affect me in the least (except perhaps by delaying more G1 stuff as they have only so many production slots each year, and oh boo hoo I might have to wait for something, how tragic), and is a source of great enjoyment for others. And I've no interest in wiping that out for other people; that's just nuts.
     
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  10. HunterGreen2005

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    That's crazy. It's like telling Nike to only make Chuck Taylors and nothing else.
     
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    G1 is my main focus Media and toys but I do have a few MPMs. I think all fans should get a chance to get updates. That being said between the upcoming Netflix series and opening scene in Bumblebee, it looks to me like Hasbro is really pushing the G1 look updated although there is a rumored Beast Wars movie. Would be nice to see terms like Baytards and Gwunners go away.

    'til all are one
     
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    Hm not quite. I'm interested to see some G1 characters/toys re-made in a way I like, I also love to see updated versions of these characters if they are cool, but I'd also like some other characters from other continuities. But I'd also like characters retroactively put into G1 ;)  Like Generations versions of Bulkhead for example, who would look well with G1 characters from Generations.

    I would not mind if we would only see G1 characters, but I would want to see them updated, as if the fiction would still be going on and there were reasons for upgrades. Like in MOTUC, when they had the bio on the pack that added to the new Classics mythos. Afterall G1 is the one I started with and G1 for me is THE definitive version of Transformers. Everything else is just a way to have the money train still go on for Hasbro/Takara. That doesn't mean that I also didn't like other versions of Transformers. But G1 will always be the one for me. The one incarnation I care the most about.
     
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    My collection is primarily based on G1 since that's what I grew up on. That said I have figures from Beast Wars, Unicron Trilogy, Cyberverse and the movie.

    I do love when we get characters from other series in the traditional G1 aesthetic like Siege Hot Shot or Lugnut. I will include characters that have been officially, retroactively made G1 no matter how obscure the reference like Armada Predacon as Preditron or Movie Wreckage as Reckage.

    My only issue with some modern series are the stylised aesthetics like Prime, Animated or Rescue Bots. Though I liked Animated Bulkhead as a character I don't like his head design.

    Don't get me wrong, I really enjoy shows like Beast Wars, Prime and Cyberverse. I just prefer the traditional G1 aesthetic. Obviously, we're not all going to agree on everything but instead of focusing on differences, what we all have in common is our love of Transformers. Every series has something good about it.
     
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    Pixelmaster >implying toys are good

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    I want something that isn’t G1, but it seems that anything unrelated to it seems to be a lazy retool (Galaxy Upgrade Optimus is possibly one of the worst things I’ve paid 50 USD for) or a brainless repaint (Selects Hot Shot barely looks like the original source material due to the lack of shoulder cannons). Shame really, because UT Megatron is a far more better tank candidate than G1 Megatron, and I’d always think that an updated Armada Optimus that isn’t a brick would be awesome (shame it’s in development hell).

    I hope John Warden realizes that the reason why UT (or hell, anything that isn’t non G1 in a G1 centric line) homages failed not because of the lack of market interest, but the fact that their output is considerably much less inferior than the effort they give out to the proper G1 stuff. I think Takara knows that there is indeed a market for anything that’s not G1/ Bayverse, given the fact that they seemingly refuse to euthanize the Armada mold, and have a somewhat decent track record at the repaint department (Unite Warriors Armada Thrust, Black Convoy, Unite Warriors Baldigus comes to mind; Armada Megatron is the only stinker that comes to mind but even then it had more effort put in it than the Hasbro version), but it would be nice to not be locked behind exclusives or be more internationally available. Besides, they’ve been rereleasing molds that aren’t G1 in the encore line (okay, we don’t talk about Fire Convoy), such as Big Convoy.

    Catz has also said something of a Fire Convoy remake in the works. Hopefully it’s not a stinker like previous G1 centric lines have proven to us again and again.

    The only series I would be actively against getting a remake are all the Maximals in Beast Machines. They all look like something straight out of Cats. Even then, all the Vehicons deserve a more animation accurate update (maybe with the exception of Tankor). Their designs are some of the most creative and unique things I’ve seen in the franchise, and it’s a shame that nobody really talks about them. Series that I would like Hastak to avoid are TFP and TFA, but it’s mostly down to me disliking the aesthetics.
     
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    I would like to see more toys of characters from other series, but I don't want Hasbro to forget about late G1 and G2 originals.
    And if they do produce more toys of UT, BW and other series I hope it won't be just Optimus and Starscream, because honestly, that would just be G1 with a new coat.
     
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    Definitely not
     
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    Pixelmaster >implying toys are good

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    I know that G2 is the black sheep on the franchise, but I think most of the new molds during that phase are pretty cool and deserves some attention too. Even Shogo Hasui has said that the COMBAT gimmick, weaponizers, and battle damage (despite being pretty half hearted in implementation) are influenced by G2 (as well as Last Stand of the Wreckers).

    The ATB Megatron/ Dreadwind/ BB mold is amazing, and it’s a shame that the only update to it is a Tokyo Toy Fair exclusive which reused the ROTF Mindwipe mold and well as his minion (not bad by any means actually, just unreasonably expensive in the aftermarket).

    I also think that Laser Prime (along with his trailer) deserves a straight up CHUG update. The original trailer is pretty awesome, and with Siege where Voyager + gear is a thing I think we can make a base esk trailer as well as a decent Laser Prime.

    The Cyberjets are amazingly good one step changers (yes, there was a time when one step changers were good!). Decent articulation and good weapons. It’s a shame that the extra weapons that Takara developed never hit the production line.
     
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  18. motorthing

    motorthing Too old for this $hit

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    Nope.

    And double nope.
     
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    Cliffjumper Least insane TF fan

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    Id rather have other Figures like some Armada updates or maybe BW updates instead of primarily G1 for the last 2 Trilogies.
     
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    I pretty much only buy G1 related items, so if the other lines didn't exist they might have more room for G1 stuff. On the other hand I am not sure they would use the budget or more G1 stuff even if it was there. Also Earthrise is hitting it out of the park for me, so I am not sure what more I would be asking them to do. I do wish they stuck with G1 for Masterpiece figures though, since non-G1 takes up "slots".