First off, the movie was much better the second time, once you understand everything that wasnt straight up said in the dialogue of the movie. The only thing i dont understand is how "megatron convinced KSI to go after the seed." If anyone can explain please help.
He didn't have anything to do with it. It was part of the deal that Lockdown and Attinger made. Optimus for the Seed.
But it was clearly said that megatron was convincing the humans to go after the seed because thats what they wanted. Just watched the movie no less than an hour ago.
Brains said that Megs' plan was to get the Seed and remember Attinger to Joshua? Attinger: "You got what you wanted." Joshua: " I got what it wanted."
but how would the humans even know to ask for a Seed? and I don't think Lockdown just goes around offering them up to any species who can produce a Prime. To me the movie pretty clearly states that Megatron was behind everything the whole time, but I know some interpret it differently
The humans wanted more transformium and the seed could produce a huge quantity in a short amount of time. Lockdown knowing it's something the humans would be interested in offered it to them in exchange for collecting his bounty. Megatron likely only learned of the seed through ksi and their computers he was controlling.
There is a lot that doesn't make sense. Like how Lockdown and Attinger first started working together. I just figured Lockdown offered the seed as a trade in response to something Attinger might have said. "Why should we let you take Prime in alive when we need the Transformium?" "Because I can give you something that can make many times more than the body of a single Autobot." The Megatron stuff I took to mean he was guiding them building the Galvatron prototype.
Sorry - but making this short and sweet; Attinger and KSI wanted the Seed to create more Transformium - I believe their plan was to acquire it and set it off in a desert - as explained in the scene with Joshua and Darcy. They wanted the Transformium for research purposes and creating their own Transformers which would be used to replace the Autobots and put humanity in control of their own protection from the Decepticons. Megatron learned of this plan sometime during his stay in KSI - the most likely option being that KSI members had blabbed or Attinger/Joshua had boasted in front of Brains or Megatron's head. After being rebuilt into Galvatron - Megatron planned to use the Transformium to destroy whatever large city they were in and turn the remains into a Decepticon army. Megatron had no involvement in forcing Attinger or Joshua to acquire the Transformium. As for the quote below - this quote was after the Autobots essentially told Joshua what Megatron/Galvatron was planning. At that stage however it was purely a guess. Joshua then realised that while the humans planned to use the Seed for 'good' - Galvatron was going to become sentient and take it. Hence why he claims that he didn't get what he wanted as he wanted peace - as Galvatron was going to get what he wanted, which would have been the extinction of the human race. Megatron did not manipulate events until his escape from Chicago. He had a mild level of control in the design of the Galvatron robot - however he did not manipulate the humans into getting the Seed.
So no one listened to Brains? He knew everything Megs was doing. He even knew Megs was after the Seed and Brains offered all this info to the humans on behalf of Megs, but did not inform the humans that Megs as in "alive Megs" was after it. Brains told them about the Seed. And when Brains was questioned at the train yard abou why he helped Megs and gave the humans the info, he said more or less that you do what you have to when you are on death row. So in other wards Brains aided Megs to get back at the humans for what they were doing to him and the other TFs.
Shorter and sweeter, Brains says about Megatron "that mind wasn't as dead as they thought...he's been playing KSI all this time all so that he can manipulate em into going after the seed" if anyone should know it would be him
The humans wanted it for their own purposes and Megatron had no knowledge of 'The Seed' or its existence anywhere near the humans until the humans contacted Lockdown. In essence it essentially means that the humans made a deal with Lockdown for the Transformium then altered it to 'The Seed' when Brains/Megatron suggested it as an alternative - thus explaining why KSI was targeting the other Autobots also as they needed the raw Transformium. Timeline; KSI receive items from the Chicago battle KSI link Brains with the Decepticon leader's head to get information on Transformers technology KSI crack the Transformers genetic code - Transformium is manipulate-able Lockdown makes a deal with KSI - who desire Transformium KSI learn from Brains that 'The Seed' can be used to create more Transformium KSI alter the deal requiring 'The Seed' KSI and Lockdown fail to kill Optimus who flees KSI require raw Transformium in exchange for their continued co-operation Lockdown kills The Wreckers, Sideswipe and Ratchet to provide Transformium Transformium leads to the creation of Galvatron and several Vehicons Megatron alters Galvatron's design several times to match his own looks Galvatron waits until the humans arrive China before taking over the Vehicons
Yeah he "Brains" knew Megs was after the Seed. As Brains could not have known that unless he got that info from Megs' mind. We have no idea when lockdown came to Earth or made his deal with Attinger. So you can't say for fact that Megs had no idea about the seed until after Attinger made his deal with lockdown. That part on the story was never explained and you can't say that that's how it happened. Because none of us know that for sure. The facts are that we know Megs knew of the Seed because Brains says that Megs was after the Seed. We know for fact that Brains helped Megs get what he wanted because Brains says he did what he had to to survive. We know at some point that Lockdown came to Earth lookin for Prime. We don't know how he and Attinger met or what the initial deal between tham may have been or even if the Seed deal was the initial deal. It could be and this is a guess (not fact), that Attinger could have made the deal with Lockdown to find Prime (end of guess) only after Brains informed the humans of the Seed. Which is eluded to when listening to Brains explain his ordeal in the lab.
If Megatron was manipulating everything (Which the movie did a really bad job of explaining other than the Brains scene) the plot of the movie is even more stupid - because it means the humans were actively listening to either their kidnapped Autobot or the leader of the Decepticons for advice.
no it doesn't again they were manipulated: a : to manage or utilize skillfully b : to control or play upon by artful, unfair, or insidious means especially to one's own advantage c : to change by artful or unfair means so as to serve one's purpose people being manipulated into doing things are seldom willful participants in said manipulation
Um, that's exactly what they were doing lol. You did not listen to Brains at all did you bud? He said that they hooked him up to download memories and info from "those two heads". And Brains told Cade and the Autobots that he fed the humans all the info Megs needed to achieve his goal in making him a new body, gaining the seed and building his army. As Joshua said "I gave it what it wanted." Brains willingly "helped" Megs manipulate the humans and Brains was feeding the humans everything Megs was telling him to. Brains was pissed at the humans and as far as he was concerned, all TFs, Bots and Cons were now dead. So what did he have to lose? Megs had a plan and Brains was willing to help Megs in his plan as a big FU to the humans. And then Brains said FU to everyone when he said "I'm walking." And took off on his own lol.
The way I figure it Lockdown approached Attinger and convinced him he was only here to collect his bounty and be on his way. He probably asked for assistance tracking down prime and Attinger and ksi wanted more transformium and may have asked how or if it was possible to obtain a large amount in a short period of time, or maybe Lockdown already knowing it was something the humans would be interested in offered it to him to make a deal. Lockdown may have struck a deal help him find prime and he will give Attinger the seed. Megatron may not have originally known anything about the seed being offered to humans he might only known of it sometime after the deal with Lockdown through the ksi computers he had access to. Brains knew megatron became aware of the seed even biding his time to get the seed for himself but he never told the humans of it, they might not have believed him even if he had told them they might have thought it was some kind of trick and had him killed as well which is why he considered himself on death row.
He never did, his first plan was to build him self a new body. During the entire resurrection of him self he learned about the seed, and chose to use it to his advantage. Not even Lockdown knew he was sentient, and that KSI have been corrupted by the mind of Megatron. Only Brains knew it, and he didn't care. From his perspective a Megatron reborn was a judgment to humans.
He got them to believe they needed Transforium to make transforming robots prompting KSI to get the seed
