Headmasters or the Rebirth?

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Headmasters or Rebirth?

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  1. ThePrime84

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    I personally prefer Rebirth. I like the ideas Headmasters presents, but I generally find it rather dull and lifeless.
     
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    Rebirth was a boring toy commercial. Headmasters was so bad it's good.
     
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    Sixshot is the best thing in head masters.
     
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    i find the japanese G1 shows to just connect the timeline better than what the rebirth does.
     
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    Hold on……. you think 2 series With approximately 60 episodes in total (or more) Fit the timeline and continuity better than just three episodes?
     
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    Just my two cents.... Headmasters is better than Rebirth for the following reasons:
    1. Better character development (Sixshot for example..)
    2. A passing of the guard (Transitioning from Prime to Rodimus to..... Although the Rodimus transition was kinda weird lol)
    3. Better Headmaster concept explanation
    4. Better Animation
    5. Better overall story
    6. Better handling of Sixshot, Galvatron, and the new characters
      • In Rebirth, the new characters are kinda treated like Season 2 background characters; whereas in Headmasters, they assume leadership and replace the legacy characters.
     
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    I don’t exactly disagree with you but at the same time I feel the only reason that is the case is because headmasters ran for more than three episodes

    In other words if Rebirth had been an entire season as long as Headmasters I feel many of the issues you raised would have been addressed
     
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    Maybe but that is a big assumption considering what Season 2 and 3 turned out to be. What character development did the Terrorcons, Predacons, etc receive? At that point in time, the show's purpose was to cram in as many characters as possible. One thing I appreciated about the Japanese exclusive series is their characters were flushed out to an extent where you could appreciate most of them.
     
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    I really don’t think that’s it’s that big of an assumption particularly when you fully examine the examples you cited

    Think about it when you look at the two previous seasons they always introduced characters soon near the end of the season that we would usually see more of in the next season afterwards

    In that respect the Terrorcons and Predacons would have likely seen more character development in a full 4th season much like the Constructicons (etc) did in season 2 after being introduced in the previous season

    I’m sure there’s always some characters that fall to the wayside and never truly get explored, even happened with the Protectibots Which I’m surprised of considering that they were one of the combiner teams, But that type of thing just happens on all sorts of TV shows or cartoons…..

    Some characters just never get the development they need, But there’s absolutely no way you’re going to convince me that season 3 Failed in the character development department in general
     
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    That's actually one of my least favorite things about the Headmasters series. I much prefer The Rebirth explanation. In Headmasters, it's just smaller robots with a headless transtectors.

    But with The Rebirth, I like that the Transformers have to work together with new partners. And this gives us twice as many characters to play with.

    I also have to disagree with this. The new characters in The Rebirth were front and center, certainly not like season 2 background characters. We spend more time following the new guys on Nebulous than we do on Cybertron with the old characters.
     
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    It doesn't help that Headmasters really didn't do development for these characters any favors. A lot of the time they just fought or stood in the background in favor of the newer characters.
     
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    Headmasters has its' issues, but it wins by default since Rebirth is so irredeemably horrible from start to finish.
     
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    I never felt like characters grew or developed in Headmasters. They tended to just go along in the story as they were until one point where either they or the narrator pretty much told us they were different without really having the time or opportunity or significant enough change to demonstrate that fact.

    Also most of the characters started as cardboard and ended as cardboard. Or dead.
     
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    Sometimes characters simply are who they are, just like people in real life. What development do you think Geoge S. Patton went through? None. He was pretty much the same person from start to finish. Not every character needs to have some life altering mega event every other episode.
     
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    I guess that’s true enough
    again, had rebirth been allowed it’s original 5 episodes plan I’m pretty confident people would see this issue a bit differently
     
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    Rebirth is the transformers’ zeta gundam trilogy movie.
    Aired after headmasters
    Rush and crammed
    Alternate route which ended with a cliffhanger.
     
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    Absolutely and completely Nonrevalent
     
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    I much prefer Headmasters overall (better character design, animation, Sixshot as a whole), but Rebirth has some aspects to it that I like too. For example, the concept of transtectors is far more appealing to me as a headmaster concept in general, but I liked the idea of Daniel getting critically injured and bonding with Arcee via the Rebirth HM process. No reason both can't exist in a mega-canon, like Sixshot saving Daniel in Headmasters, but him not making it out in one piece, leading to the bonding process adapted from transtector tech.
     
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    I do like that Rebirth gives the series an ending, albeit an open end. Still wish it would have been a full five episodes instead of just three, then the episode count would have reached 100.
     
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    I'm really not that keen on Transformers: The Headmasters. Definitely the weakest of the Japanese cartoons.

    Still much better than The Transformers: The Rebirth, though.

    You didn't really need the rest of the sentence, IMO... :) 
     
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