Haslab Unicron

Discussion in 'Transformers News and Rumors' started by bearytrek, Jul 15, 2019.

  1. stad

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    Really? Twice the price is your key to this hypothetical fantasy?
    Let's be clear, after this initial offering pulls in the majority of the people interested in a piece of this size and expense, there's no way a future run - even at the SAME price - hits even half the orders that the initial run makes. Double the price and you'll drop that to nearly nobody, not to mention that'll be the eBay (and therefore PayPal Credit eligible price to further hit those people who's primary issue was payment) price, further cutting into the pool of these potential second offering buyers.

    My comment about retail space only applied to shipping logistics - they don't get to simply ship a pallet here and a pallet there to retailer's distribution centers, but instead have to package and ship each item for individual shipment to individual buyers. That adds an entire (temporary) department to deal with that, multiple ones if you have multiple countries.

    And touching on what I said above about price - it's still not going to be the same cost either. Fixed costs that are spread out over item count means higher per unit cost with less units. Packaging costs (initial set-up costs) spread out over, say 2,000 pieces instead of 8,500 (just to make up some ballpark numbers) means a significant up-charge per item.
     
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    That would completely defeat the purpose of it.

    They've also said this is a once and done thing.

    So no reissue.
     
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  3. Gamerlingual

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    Good to know. Hope you can get a copy and enjoy it. Thanks for the info
     
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    Folks are having some crazy levels of wishful thinking mixed with hostility towards Hasbro because reality is reality and you can't escape the logistics of cost/time/materials/units sold. During a time when 3P has considerably slowed down and shifted a lot of focus to legend-sized figures fans are expecting miraculous four foot tall Unicrons at half the price...
     
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    Not to mention produce-upon-demand.
    As if the factory line is just in standby, ready to crank out another 25 pieces at a time.
     
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    I think there is a slim chance this thing gets a reissue. Even if it did it would be 10+ years from now, and would still be a crowdfund type of deal. The logistics for it wouldn't make sense otherwise.
     
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  7. EightiesKid

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    It's difficult to predict the future. The Sail Barge is the first Haslab crowd funded project, and it only shipped this year. So we don't have much of a track record to go on here. I think the bottom line is that if one wants this Unicron, then it's best to get in on this project and order one before the deadline.
     
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    The field of behavioral economics would have something to say about this. People don't behave according to basic math formulas, and there are at least a few notable variables in that hypothetical--e.g., what's the upper limit for most of the current backers? Would 'limiting' it to 4,000 affect the perceived scarcity of the product, and to what degree, and how would that play with the resources of the current available backers ?

    Intro to Econ tells us that demand is negatively sloped relative to cost--i.e., as the cost of something goes up, there's less demand. I mean, hell, they're starting to find that behavior in animals, too. But that's just a generalized starting point.

    Hypotheticals are great because nobody has to be wrong (in their own minds, anyway), at least until the eggheads start testing this stuff out in real life. I'm sure Hasbro has people who did the homework. And it's why actuaries are compensated well for what they do.

    Right. People assume that when a toy company, even a big one like Hasbro, wants to make a toy, it's as simple as starting up the conveyor belt.

    One toy being made, especially one as complicated as this, means at least a few other simple/easier-to-sell toys not being made. Toy production involves rotation based on available factory/production resources.
     
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    So through all the various channels people have listed, Unicron is essentially available worldwide now? It would be nice if there was a stickied post with links to all the different sites he's available on.
     
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    Along with Shackwave and Lancer I got Unicron today from Hasbro Pulse, the t-shirt that is :)  This will just have to tide me over over the long wait until we get the toy in our hands!

    The back of the shirt, I wish this was the front design though:
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    My other Unicron themed shirts, the bottom two are from ript apparel (would they be considered knock-offs? :D ):
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    It doesn’t get produced at all if it doesn’t make funding.

    I’d bet if it doesn’t get funded, they dumb down the tooling, strip the planet eating feature, downscale it 25%, and release a much simplified version in 2021 as the Titan at $200 MSRP.

    I wish Hasbro would do some non-moonshot crowdfunding.

    They could just as easily do a toon accurate Orion, Ariel, and Dion as a $100 set or a $40 Voyager-ish Quintesson Judge.

    Heck! If they did a Generations VW licensed Legends G1 Bumblebee at $25, they’d get their orders in one day. And I think there are reasons why that might not fly at retail

    Crowdfunding just has to be passionate and non-commercial. It doesn’t need to be BIG.
     
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  12. kibble

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    Did the Jabba barge backers ever stall to a crawl? Because this one has...less than 100 new backers since, what, Thursday or so? The great news is there are many sources for ordering this thing, so between them all, there may well be enough buyers for it to still happen...but if it was solely on the US and Canada alone to come up with 8000...I dunno, looks to me like it would be dead in the water.
     
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    The Barge actually had a much slower backing rate but had been able to pass the limit in the last 6 days.
     
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    If the figures would be affordable, Hasbro would just find a way to slot those toys into the general retail assortments, or at the very least, as retailer exclusives. They wouldn't need to be crowd-funded.
     
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    They wouldn’t slot a Legends figure they had to charge $25 direct for.

    That’s another thing to take into account.

    On a typical Titan, I’d wager Hasbro gets about $35-40, without factoring production and fixed costs, and what’s leftover after those are covered is profit.

    Here, they’re probably pulling an easy $450 a unit. Probably higher fixed costs.

    But if they did a Legends Bumblebee that cost what a Voyager costs to produce and had a target of 15k orders, that’s something they could do crowdfunded for maybe $25 a head but not at retail for less than $30 MSRP and not commercially because retail buyers wouldn’t spend either price for a Legends figure.
     
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  16. Sylent

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    It would be cool if this came with a 2-year Premium Pulse subscription as a sign of good faith. That could be what they need to speed up orders.

    Someone needs to put the number of backers and the target goal in their profile the same way @Sam has his countdown to MP-44. :p  I'd do it, but I'm not on the boards enough for it to be effective.


    EDIT:

    <-- I went ahead and did it. I need this project to succeed!
     
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    I don't know about KO's. But I just wanted to chime in that I also have that CTRON Shirt! Haha! I should look into getting the other one tho. :)  I'm also contemplating on getting the one on top from HasbroPulse.
     
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  18. tobecat

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    I backed the Barge and we received emails over the course of the wait period with detailed info about the production of the toy. We also got new pics and bits of information. It helped the time pass as we waited for the Barge to arrive! When it did, it was pretty much on time... maybe one week late from their original estimate. Hope that helps with a few of the comments I saw on the board.
     
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    I’m super excited about this project! It’s just what I needed to get back into collecting again. I plan on backing it as soon as I get enough cash together.

    I’m not sure why there is so much negativity on this. A huge detailed Unicron has been a pipe dream since the movie. It isn’t cheap or perfect, but it looks pretty darn good and would be a wonderful centerpiece in just about any collection.

    I thought the Sail Barge page was a better design, but it sounds like this is a totally different team at Hasbro. Hopefully we’ll soon get some updates and an extra or two in the coming weeks. The Yak Face announcement with the Sail Barge really got people to commit. I’m sure Hasbro has something equally as impressive for this.
     
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    Exactly! I have been out of collecting for awhile but this is getting me interested again!

    I hadn't thought about it being a different team but it makes sense. I assume they probably learned from the Barge crowdfundung so will use that as a template for getting more people excited about it. The Yak Face definitely helped as the Barge was stuck in the doldrums for 3 weeks! The Barge forums were much the same as here... loads of negativity and price complaints but once it was close to funded many jumped on the wagon for fear of missing out. This has more international support even though it's a higher number to secure the figure but I see this getting funded.
     
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