Discussion in 'Transformers News and Rumors' started by bearytrek, Jul 15, 2019.
While a little higher than $600 very much less than $700, agreed.
One thing I'll say about Sentinel: The advance discussion of backer tiers at certain numbers is likely a new idea.
They *kinda* did that with Unicron. Dropping updates to sweeten the pot. But it was sorta slapshot.
Having a clear goal each step may have been a take away. Though something like Sentinel lends itself better to that than Unicron did.
Kickstarters have been doing that for YEARS.
Though they usually reveal the first set of tiers all at once. Not this one at a time nonsense. We're already a quarter through the next tier. If Hasbro doesn't get moving, they may reveal what the 8,000 backer 'incentive' is after it's already reached 8,000 backers.
If anyone wants to sell theirs lmk
This isn't the same as a Kickstarter, though. You either buy the end product or you don't. There's no "donation tiers" so there's no incentive to pitch in even if you don't want the final product.
No intention to “cape,” but aren’t Sentinels glorified drone pieces, no matter the size?? Unicron (for me at least) is a grail figure par excellence, this seems like apples to oranges on steroids but maybe I’m mistaken in some of my initial assumptions
The bigger deal is it's a Sentinel scale to the Marvel Legends series.
Like, both Marvel and TF have had figures of Sentinel/Unicron, but never to this extent.
wouldn’t Apocalypse define/wreck their scale by definition? And to think we in TF-land bitch about scale and such
Thought about that, but then thought about Hot Toys. If Marvel fans want to get deep, they are as F'd (if not more so) as we are.
Yeah but Marvel has pretty set restrictions on character appearance.
Sentinels are always to be a good 3 floors tall and fit standard height people like wolverine in their hand. The biggest figure of a Sentinel produced was the one they show the new one compared to it.
I'd say they deserve the in-scale Sentinel but for us TF Fans it's half a figure since it doesn't transform lol.
I’m going to admit that this is super petty, but who else is glad that the Haslab Unicron is taller than the Haslab Sentinel?
You’re wrong about that, it does Transform.
It transforms mutants into ash, not the same thing of course but that’s still turning one thing into something else!
Even changing the head out for Mastermold is giving the figure a little bit more height. But honestly the Unicron beats in height because of his horns. I wish they would’ve made that Unicron a 30 inch figure or fix on his being small(his looks kindve small compare to the body).
But some ppl are right in here, the fact that Sentinel is a army builder is help backing the figure up. But damn it’s already hitting 8000 backers by tomorrow!!!
This is one of the first things I checked when I saw the Sentinel...but if I recall correctly Unicron is "only" 25 inches excluding the horns, so who is taller depends on how you measure them. And actually, if the Cookie monster was made, it would have been a no contest since it was over a meter tall...
What I like from the Sentinel are the splaying fingers and the double jointed knees/elbows (though I'm not sure if that gives him more articulation range compared to Unicron). For Unicron, I always thought that they splaying fingers were a missing opportunity when they redesigned the hands. I used to complain a bit about the single jointed elbow, but after some thinking I came to the conclusion that it would have been difficult to give him a double joint given the way the forearms slide for transformation.
Unicron is 27 inches
The Sentinel is 26 inches
Both figures are probably eye to eye in height
Wasn’t unicron said to be over 27” meaning they counted the horns as extra?
I'm referring to this picture, from Unicron's display at SDCC:
Now...between yesterday and today I rearranged my shelves to free space for Jetfire and Scorponok that I bought last week. As a consequence I also freed the space where I plan to put Unicron on display next year. Now the hard part is going to be resisting the temptation to immediately buy a combiner to fill that empty spot...
Horns are included
No doubt, the stunning speed with which the Sentinel was funded is proof of how strong the Marvel Legends fan base is. A couple thoughts that seem relevant..purely my opinion but I’ve got a quiet house at the moment and a big mug of coffee so bear with me.
Unicron was roughly 2x as expensive- worth mentioning again. That $600+ price tag was a tough pill to swallow but it also established a precedent and expectations by which $300 for Sentinel seemed more reasonable.
Unicron was the second (third?) Haslab project, released alongside Cookie Monster, which to many of us, seemed slightly off kilter. At the least, it muddied they waters for what Haslab would be and made it look like their offerings were not necessarily a worthy investment.
Transformers have their standardized character models and many of us love them...but they’re also virtually impossible to replicate exactly in physical form assuming they need to transform. Some of the MP grade figures have come close but they’re never 100% spot on. This opens the door to a debate about whether or not this is the definitive representation or even a a “good” representation...which has a way of making people pump the brakes before dropping $600+USD. Marvel Legends designs don’t have this problem to the same degree. It’s vastly easier to make “accurate” or at least non-controversial representations of characters.
Amidst the doubts about the design, Zeta drops their amazing, clean looking Unicron and steals some thunder, steals some orders, creates even more debate over the merits of the Haslab design, generally steals attention.
In an unprecedented move from Hasbro, Zeta Unicron gets kiboshed, creating controversy, stealing attention away again and making Hasbro look insecure about the Haslab design which adds fuel to the doubts.
Many modern Transformers fans, God love them, are a surprisingly entitled group who hyper-focus on flaws. Nearly every damn figure and ever damn line is subject to the. The bigger the cost of the item, the louder the complaints. For example, the stack of planet mode panels on the robot legs/back created a constant din of whining and criticism. I don’t mean to say that these folks are wrong (nor am I saying they’re right) but that prevailing notion took a toll and planted doubts. This tone was carried into podcasts and other media in addition to the boards and it took months and months before people started to get over it and understand that this panel solution was possibly a necessary evil. Plenty have never accepted it, continue to pout and stomp their feet to this day.
Transformers is, by most accounts, a healthy franchise. However, a significant portion of fans grew up and came into the hobby during the Michael Bay movie era. For years, people have been saying “enuff geeewon” already...Unicron represents the pinnacle of G1 fandom and the absolute antithesis of the Michael Bay era more than any other character. So there was probably some baked-in resistance and a large portion of the fan base saw this as an easy pass.
Transformers fans of the higher spending tiers have had years and years of 3P and official Masterpiece placing demands on their wallets. This kind of unofficial product is absolutely not tolerated by Disney/Marvel so there is certainly more fertile ground for big ticket items with the Marvel Legends fan base.
The Transformers the Movie is special (or damn near “sacred”) to many of us but it was a box office flop from 34 years ago. The media in recent years has been all over the place with weirdly violent movies, cartoons aimed at very young children, web based shows of very low quality, comic books that only reach hardcore fans despite the often high quality of those books. Meanwhile Marvel has had 22 blockbuster movies over the last decade or so.
This is the big one- Marvel Legends fans are the “competitor eaters” of the toy collecting world. The ravenous consumption that we saw with Gigawatt is a common occurrence with Marvel Legends. Any hint that a figure will be scarce sends fans into a frothy panic. This may be due to the fact that unlike Transformers (where we hunt for ways to narrow our focus and somehow try to cap spending while still feeling satisfied) all of these Marvel Legends figures work together in the same universe so any character adds something to the collection. Having a Sentinel means an instant X-Men diorama...
Finally, Sentinel is coming after months of people, hungry for a little piece of joy, being largely stuck in their homes with plenty of time to focus on toys and shop for stuff on the internet. Unicron was sold to a different world where it had to compete with concepts like socializing, dating, buying clothes, paying for haircuts, paying for gasoline, going outside, etc.
No doubt, ML kicked TF’s butt in terms of Haslab performance...but that’s fine with me. I’m still absolutely over the damn moon for the Haslab Unicron design and I have enjoyed the anticipation of that giant box arriving. This takes absolutely nothing away from the excitement for Unicron, IMO...
This is all good for the ML fans and it’s good for Haslab too.
Ok...That’s enough Sunday morning opinion blathering from me!
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