Discussion in 'Transformers News and Rumors' started by bearytrek, Jul 15, 2019.
Went from 281 to 282%
Bbts has pre orders again
Maybe the deadline is tonight
theyre probably just leaving it open till they sell out of any extras they ordered. the deadline is done, cant order direct from hasbro anymore so it was last night, not tonight
Well, hell, if it really is 22k+... guess I'm going to have to retract my dumping on Hasbro's marketing...
I can’t wait to unsubscribe from this thread...
when are we getting charged? Anybody think it’ll be after they get back to RI from NYCC?
So they still haven't resolved the discrepancy between 282% on the Projects page and 141.025% on the Unicron page? I was hoping it'd be fixed by morning so we'd know whether it's actually ~11k or ~22k. Still seems to be fluctuating as well which is weird. I'm seeing 141.0625 now.
I watched that movie a zillion times growing up. You can probably guess what my first name is
How many 3rd party vendors bought into the barge? That could be the diff in the market right there
No way in hell I believe they went from not being able to break the 8000 minimum to selling over 22,000 a month later. Why hide the numbers with the 8000+ BS?
Have they sold 22,000 of ANY transformer? Maybe something that was reissued multiple times like G1 Prime.
In the end they ended up with just under 9,000 barges backed, so I don’t think there will be much difference there, third party vendors or not.
I checked the source code for the Sail Barge page and the crowdfundind bar progress has the value 176.2 that is consistent with the 176% reported. In the Unicron page that value is 141.025 that is half of the 282% reported. I strongly suspect somewhere in the code there is a multiplication by 2 that shouldn't be there.
That's only part of it.
- Any recessionary downturn will make luxury goods a harder sell.
- Any competing product (3P Unicron), especially one that is better, or cheaper, or both, could bottom out the aftermarket for this version.
- $500+ collectibles already have a hard time selling, due to the psychological $500 barrier
Members here keep comparing Unicron to the Barge, but there are other big-ticket items like Super7 Snake Mountain. For S7SN, there are people who are losing money on it, some are lucky to break even, and those trying to profit keep watching their eBay auctions relist over and over again. To go one further, both the Barge and Snake Mountain were largely seen as flawless pieces, while Unicron has flaws that kept many of us from backing.
We shall see what happens in 2021/2022.
Anyway, to the single-buyer collectors: I honestly hope you enjoy your Unicron.
They were over $1,100 when they showed up on collectors door steps.
When I last checked a week or so ago, they were down to $800-900 range WITH shipping still included, which I can tell you from experience, that shipping is about $100-110 depending where its going. Now, take off fees.
Sure, they are above the $550 but when you factor in all costs but not by much and there are fewer of these around too.
Or they could wait for the Haslab version to be produced and shipped, and then show their KO Super OS version that weighs 50 lb, with a laughing expression at the puny Haslab one, just for fun of course
I really do wonder what the life of those collectors must be with that kind of shelf / toy display space...
I have argued throughout this thread that there isn’t a huge difference in the adult SW and TF collector market. Conversely, there is a huge gap between those adult collector sizes and the MOTU adult collector market, which is minuscule by comparison. There just aren’t enough potential customers for second hand Snake Mountains who didn’t buy it when available.
The Barge’s second hand market is more comparable to Unicron’s likely market than a MOTU toy.
No. That's ridiculous. Hasbro could just say the orders fell through. Or the tooling broke before they could make that many. Or whatever.
Anyway that's not how taxes and financials work.
OK so if I order five to resell at a profit then what would you call it?
Was that Snake Mountain really $600? I look at that and think (even as someone who grew up with MOTU) “who the fuck would pay $600 for that?”
And then, in the same breath I realize that a lot of people probably look at Unicron the same way.
I'd guess that deluxes sell in the hundreds of thousands.
Yeah that's not how anything works. They'd get caught by the IRS.
There is no fudge here. A fudge would be, you know, deeply illegal. You think someone hasn't tried the old trick of reporting (namely to investors and the board) they sold a lot more quantities of an item than they actually did, and then illicitly stashed their huge excess in a warehouse somewhere? Or even some damn storage rental unit? Every couple of years some mid-sized firm tries it. And every couple of years, they get caught and the people responsible go to jail. It's the oldest trick in the book. And also a felony - Fraud. There is no reason to believe it happened here.
Point is, this sold well about 8000, period. How well above? We don't quite know yet. But considerably well above. That's a very good thing for the line.
I stand by timing is everything, but you also forgot an important aspect when adding in S7SM.....as much as I love He-Man, he's more niche than the worldwide appeal/support of both SW and TF, both of those have been consistent for the last 35yrs with more than just a what 10yr collector's supported toy line.
But there is a difference between what the seller ultimately profits and what the after market value is which is solely the price consumers are willing to pay.
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