Generations WFC(2019-present) Scale Discussion

Discussion in 'Transformers Toy Discussion' started by Shin Densetsu, May 3, 2020.

  1. Shin Densetsu

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    Alright so I've seen many SIEGE and EarthRise threads turn into discussion about scale and it sometimes overtakes the original point(s) of discussion. Hasbro started an adherence to relative scaling for the Generations line starting with WFC SIEGE and it continues into EarthRise. Some may agree that the relative scaling between characters is good, others may disagree. This is the thread to discuss that and the ideal place for scale charts, et al, as it relates to the Generations line going forward.

    Now I don't think EarthRise Scorponok was made with relative scaling compared to the Prime Wars Titans. I don't know this for sure either. Truth is, I don't care and if a new Fort Max is made in proper relative scaling to Scorponok or others, great. If not, I'm good with my LG Fort Max.

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    The Van Bros should probably be voyager scale so their vans can be bigger but they don't need to be taller
     
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    Wouldn't that make them too big in vehicle mode compared to Optimus and the seekers? Not that the seekers are anything near in scale in vehicle mode of course.
     
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    It’s not the scale, it’s how you use it.

    Scorponok looks cool. I’d want him to be a Leader-class to match with PMOP for Marvel Comics scale. You might want him bigger to match with the Fort Max toy. But he’s cool and that matters more than charts.
     
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    I base my entire collection on the vehicle scale of the G1 Autobot cars so I prefer scout size cars like 1-steps or oversized CW Rodimus. Apart from the deluxe cars, I found most of the vehicles from Titans Return fit my preferred scale.

    Given that the G1 Headmaster Nebulans were all meant to be close to average human size, when compared with Chromedome, Highbrow and Brainstorm appear to be smaller, single pilot, aircraft. Hardhead would also seem to be a small, futuristic tank and I loved that EJ Su scaled him similarly when he was shown with Prowl in the early IDW comics.

    The old Kabaya Nebulans scale reasonably well with the Titanmasters.

    TR Windblade and the Decepticon Targetmasters can also be seen as small aircraft.

    The Titanmasters have made things easier for me as if a vehicle can, or at least looks like they can, fit a Titanmaster in it's cab or cockpit, I'm satisfied. That's why I accept Siege Spinister, Crosshairs, Voyager Powerglide, Botcon Dreadwind, CHUG Cyclonus or Cyberverse 1-step Wheeljack.

    The Leader CW and MP Seekers seem to fit this scale too though I'm happy to include the Siege Seekers as their alien nature allows some licence.

    One mold that confuses me is Combiner Wars Hotspot/Onslaught. I get the feeling it should be bigger but then I wonder if it's one of those smaller airport fire fighters. Actually the drones like Generations Scourge and Fansproject Blast Off leave me uncertain as well.

    Anyway, here are a few examples from my own collection. Maybe I'm completely wrong in my criteria but I think it works.

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    I just realized how many great figures you are missing out on
     
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    Dinobots should be leader class(7 Inches , close to 8 inches tall), except for Swoop, who should barely be a Voyager class.

    Tidal Wave should be a Commander class(13 or 14 inches tall).

    We need a redo of Fortress Maximus but make him about an inch and half taller than the Scorponok figure.
     
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    I'd rather have the vehicle scale right. It can translate interestingly to the robot modes.

    As a child I hated how small the likes of Motormaster and Streetwise looked beside Prime and Prowl.
     
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    Have you considered third party legends for you small car needs?
     
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    Most of them are too small for my tastes. I have picked up several third party cars like the Fansproject Stunticons, Papa Toys Hot Rod and MFT Chromedome.

    Also ko's like the oversized CW Rodimus and Blackjack.

    When the world gets back to normal, I do want to get Iron Trans Prowl, Bluestreak and Smokescreen.

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    Oh, and MFT Rodimus Prime but ignoring the trailer and using Hot Rod.

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    I don't think pre-WFC scale is completely off.

    I'd be surprised if T30 deluxes don't generally scale and taller characters work from Prime Wars. For example: Perceptor and Kup are about right. PotP Hot Rod is about Rodimus Prime height. Voyagers tend to be about right.

    Titans are generally about right.

    Some characters take a bit of compromise.

    It's mostly combiners IMHO that are off WFC scale. They're often a bit too big in individual mode.

    Leaders are the big scale casualty. All too big or too small for WFC.
     
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    Yeah- my CHUG collection is very predominantly pre-WFC, and I was able to achieve a pretty decent scale across the board, especially on the Autobot side. The only Leader Class figures in my Autobot set are T30 Jetfire and CW Ultra Magnus and they look good enough, and the only other Autobots of questionable size are Blaster (the FOC version, but not like there have been any others!) And Bee and Cliff who are Deluxe size instead of Legends like the other mini bots.

    The Decepticons are a different story and one I have found WFC to help a lot with. We never really had an in-scale set of the big four. If you had a Voyager Megatron, the Deluxe Seekers were always too small, and we never really had a CHUG Shockwave. Or you could go all Leader Class with the CW Megatron and Seekers and TR Soundwave but then they wouldn't scale well with the rest. So Siege did a great thing by giving us the main Cons in Voyager scale and now Earthrise is backing it up by giving us (seemingly) all six main Seekers. And those guys will then scale well enough with the previous Combiner teams, the Constructicons, Insecticons, etc.
     
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    *peeks in thread* owo what's dis?

    I can mostly agree to this. Most of Prime Wars' inaccuracy stems from gimmick compromises and practicality IMHO. Can't have a 7-ft-tall Fort Max yet. =p (or 21ft tall for Takara scale... definitely not practical =p)
     
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    Whenever I see people talk about figures shrinking in WFC, I think back to Classics/Henkei, T30. Universe, RTS, and CW are the most off.
     
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    Exactly. What's funny is that Siege Optimus Prime's is very close to Classics Optimus Prime's height. Prime Wars can be forgiven, it's John Warden's attempt to dive in to classic gimmickry. Of course it'll be a little off. We will probably get more accurate iterations of Prime Wars characters eventually, but until then, Prime Wars is a very charming placeholder for those characters.

    I still adore my PotP Terrorcons, even though they're not on my shelf any more.
     
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    We all have weird hangups so I get that for some scale is an issue, but outside of Beast Wars, the toys have never been in scale. Hell, G1 was inconsistent screen to screen, panel to panel, and even within the same toy. That's why fans invented mass shifting. I mean. Cliffjumper's robot mode may be in scale with Wheeljack, but his alt mode sure isn't. And don't get me started on Astrotrain.

    Honestly I'm unthrilled by the Titan scale, particularly for Scorponok who I never pictured as being *that* big. But there really are very few figures who do fit that size category unless they want to go back and redo all the combiners (yes please!) to match Predaking and Devastator. On the flipside, the Titan citybots are probably undersized. Anyway, For me the keys to a good toy are kids and playability, and I'm not sure $200 unwieldy action figures hit those marks. But that's me, and this could be an "unpopular opinion."
     
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    Okay, before this thread gets to page #2, we ned to address the elephant in the room. If scale isn't allowed to be discussed in the other threads, how will people that aren't aware of WFC's introduction into unified scale learn about it? I mean, if they don't know, they might be disappointed later when they do find out, or they might be reserving preorder till they know how big something is, or they might be avoiding HasTak products till a unified scale is introduced but they don't know yet. Separating scale from the discourse is only going to cause trouble.
     
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    I think they made him as big as possible within the allowed budget, looked at the end result and thought it was good enough. They probably know very well that people were waiting for a Scorponok toy that matches Fortress Maximus for decades but at the same time I doubt they felt the need to adhere to a precise scale between the two other than "let's make them look good together".
     
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    Regardless, he's at the perfect scale to represent Black Zarak in the WFC scale, at least in my opinion. Hope he gets the retool.
     
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    John Warden in an interview with Unicron.com
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    Explicitly stated that Scorponock was in scale with Fortress Maximus.

    This is a pattern that was started long ago with Metroplex and Devastator, rival sets.

    Omegas Supreme scales perfectly with CW Devastator not by accident but by design

    Trypticon fell slightly short in my opinion but overall, all rivals have been more or less in scale with each other.

    Hasbro understands rival sets, completion, etc and John Warden knows how important it is to the fans to get these aspects right

    In animation, Scorponock was typically portrayed as slightly smaller than Fortress
    Maximus

    Fortress Maximus in some continuities is regarded as the largest/biggest
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