G1 Vector Sigma=movie Allspark

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  1. Hotshotprime43

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    With everyone debating what the Allspark is now with the Creators in play the movie verse just think of it as the equivalent of G1's Vector Sigma.

    In G1:
    Quints create a metal world (Cybertron)
    They build robots
    Robots are brought to life (Vector Sigma) and rebel

    Movieverse:
    Creators build metal world with the seed
    Build robots
    Robots are brought to life by Allspark and rebe lead by the first 7/13 for all we know.

    Also I like to think the G1 Vector Sigma is Primus and the movie Allspark is Primus's spark of at least a fragment.
     
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    They're both Sacred Implements, and in some continuities, they're separate but related objects.
     
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    Nobody called it an inconsistency when the Quintessons were revealed in Five Faces of Darkness, so why's everyone complaining about The Creators in Age of Extinction?
     
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    Correction for the movieverse!

    Movieverse:
    Creators detonate seeds over large areas to harvest 'Transformium'
    Design robots (?)
    Allspark releases energy into Transformium, robots arise?

    In TFTM Frenzy's body came out of no where!?
     
  5. Hotshotprime43

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    Cause "MOVIES ARE NOT CONSISTENT"
     
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    Regenerating molecular metal. Without Energon Transformers rust and die.

    Plain Transformium is programmable metal that can take any form but does not have the regenerative properties of Transformium infused with Energon.
     
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    No because Vector Sigma was actually kind of alive
     
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    So is the Allspark as it manipulated Sam into bringing it to the Matrix.

    Vector Sigma is just more blatant in its manipulations.
     
  9. GuitarPrime1986

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    Vector Sigma is a super computer. Almost as if it was alive, but isn't. It gives personalities to Transformers, not really their life force. Also, the Underbase is more or less the Allspark. A huge cube of knowledge that Optimus Prime himself shot into space, and forever hardened his personality.
     
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    Sorry dude, but no. Primus made the first Thirteen Primes, which then fought with Unicron. Then they all fell apart, and shorty after, there was a Cyberronian "Prehistoric age." After that, these "cavemen" protoforms came out of Stasis, and evolved to intelligent beings. They then tried to contact aliens, and sure enough, the Quintessons came down. They gave them government, technology, and educated them about the universe. After a while, they created their own robots, and used the Well Of Allsparks (The Allspark) to bring them to life. After a long while, they rebelled, and Cybertron was in a government. Vector Sigma may have gave the Quintesson built Transformers their personalities after they gave them a spark via the Well Of Allparks (The Allspark), but I am not so sure.
     
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    How old are you? Were you even around when Transformers cartoon was airing?

    Do you even realize that in the cartoon continuity there is no Primus, no 13 Primes just a line of Primes,and the Quintessons did not rewrite history?

    Combining the Quintesson origin as a fake with the Primus origin is a leftover of the Universe Wrecker's storyline. In the Aligned continuity they did a variation of that making the Quintessons the Transformer's cousins pretending to be their creators.

    Marvel UK's explanation for the Quintessons they are not even related to Transformers. They are just a servant race of Unicron whose job is to kill survivors of Unicron's attacks.

    In the G1 cartoon continuity Transformers follow a dual origin story. Vector Sigma gives most Transformers life, Key to Vector Sigma, while in season three post movie it is revealed they were created by the Quintessons, Five Faces of Darkness.
     
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    You also do know that my age, has nothing to do with my knowledge of Transformers. Yes, you are right in that aspect. None of that was mentioned in G1. I go by The Covenant Of Primus. The first half of the book, can really go into almost every continuity, and the second half is specifically Transformers: Prime. That book talks about some of the same things the G1 cartoon did. If you can have prequel comics for lets say the Live Action Movies, then why cant you do the same for G1? Plus, to be honest, I love G1...but the stories were total shit. That book keeps the basic story the cartoon gave, but it adds more in depth detail.
     
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    If you have not noticed I ignore IDW prequel comics in relation to the films as they are irrelevant to the film's events. Michael Bay and TF film writers wont be held down by comic book writer plots. Which is why there are inconsistencies between the two mediums.

    Like G1 cartoon and comics same continuity family different canon continuity.

    You can't go all knowing saying its been retconned based on work done 30 years later for a new continuity for games and shows. Hell WFC and Prime derive from the same Writer's bible that is being ignored.
     
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    I know they are not significant to the movies. I have stated that several times. They are still fun little throw in stories though. It expands the universe, relevant or irrelevant to the writers or not. Now, about G1. I don't see why its such a problem. Hell, even Dreamwave I believe tried to fill in the gaps on some things. For example, they explained how Sparkplug died. There are a lot of gaps, and even prehistory that the book, and other things, tie in too.
     
  15. RedWolf

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    Still irrelevant as they are different mediums with different writers.

    You can't go Sorry dude no cause to Hotshotprime43 pretending to be an authority on the subject.

    Hotshotprime43 is correct on what happened in the G1 cartoon. You are the one giving erroneous information.