god how awful it is lol but sheesh you'd think that someone by now would have done like a remake or something i feel with the writing/scripting skills we have now along side with the great illustrators and animators we have today a transformers reboot would be fucking awesome! same story line same concept but better quality. . . can't go wrong with that at all. i know i cant be the only one who feel this way i mean yeah prime is good and all but its just not the same. . .
oh its one of these threads..... sorry if that seems rude but threads like these are so common and always end if people saying the same things "In G1 episode XYZ was awesome", "G1 sucks balls gimmie moar animated/BW" etc etc etc So yeah my 2cents if it were so bad why do people use the very same characters in their sigs, avatars and art? clearly it did something right even if their were a few duds. As for a remake ..... what do people mean by remake? if they want G1 again minus the s**ty episodes just hit skip on the DVD player. If they want G1 with a few minor changes well that's been happening ever since RiD I guess and every new continuity that came after. As for new episodes well it would be cool to finally see what happens after rebirth or some sort of stand alone mini movie but I dont think transformers could (currently) generate the hype or funding like those DVD DC and marvel movies need to get made.
its nostalgic and all but the writing and story line or animation when we are older it just dont make sense. . . i'm guessing you are of a younger generation. . . . when i was young it was the best thing on earth but compared to today's stuff it wont compare, i feel with today's talents it could have been awesome lets say with animation like art from IDW comics it would be way better on so many different levels
its not hate i just used that to express the feel i have torwards the scripting some gaps are left thats all. okay in more of a better example the people who wrote dragonball(Z,GT) did a hell of a job and these series started at the same time. . . if we would have had other writers behind the TF cartoons back in the day it would be much better you guys take what i say a bit to literal. . . its one of the things that horribly cheesy but close to heart. . . i grew up on TF so back then i knew no better, but watching it as an adult i see how bad it really is, along with any other 80's cartoon i watched back as a kid and transcend to watching it now as a adult. . .
I still don't understand what you're trying to get at here. Are you wanting a remake of G1 with better story and animation or just complaining about the show that in hindsight is bad?
okay how about this to make it more simple a sort of say remastered version of the old toons meaning re-writing of the script and re animation and new art style. . . makes sense?
was wondering about the marvel run, it looks short but then again i wouldn't know i never even thought about reading the comics but i am interested in getting them now, wonder if the trades are still being published
Haha~ Well, I'd be up for a G1 remake. The only things we need to take from G1 are essentially the core ideas, the setting, and the characters. The base ideas are what's important, but G1 fell over because the ideas were used and expressed pretty badly. The quality of story-telling and animation is just not good, for most of it. It never realised it's potential, because the people involved with it just didn't care in general. That, and they piled lots of bad ideas on top of the good ones (A Decepticon Raider in King Arthur's Court? Really?). I've always wanted a 'reboot' of sorts, with strong characterisation, good writing in general, wide use of the best ideas, etc. So many people latched onto the core ideas because they just are so cool! Doesn't get much cooler than 'GIANT TRANSFORMING ALIEN ROBOTS FROM A METAL PLANET WHO ARE WARRING WITH EACH OTHER'. What I'd most want is for the stories of the Transformers themselves to be the focus. We get strong characterisation, backstory, even development for some of them. I mean, it's called TRANSFORMERS so why is it usually just about the battles and human characters hogging the focus? I know war is one of the key themes, but the screentime need not be taken up by battles to the extent that the character development is completely neglected. So yeah. With more skilled, talented, creative people involved, the core ideas of G1 could really be utilised and made into something truly worthy. In other words, what G1 should have been. Cutting and pasting whole plotlines is a no no. But they could easily take the core ideas of some plots (Space bridges, Decepticon plots to seize resources, various weapons/tech, etc) and just write much more quality stories based on them. Of course, if you want an alternative with G1 characters I'd go for the comics- IDWs current series' are good stuff.
IF! and only if the reused the same scripts. then and then alone ... NO! would have to be animated by the people who do the gundam series, becuase lets face it ... animated was fail in appearance. prime is animated dumped into bayverse. it needs to look good so people who are channel surfing may stop on it. thats all im saying.
finally someone whos on the same page as i, i feel with a more modern groub to back a reboot/remake of the G1 series would explode transformers into another level than it already is. . . back in the 80's i feel they rushed the crap out of those episodes and said "screw it the kids wont know the difference" for example the insecticons episode could have gone a lot better, maybe even split it into 3 episodes and gave it a little more back bone with a better back story and such, also the devastator "heavy metal works" episode lol no mention to how they were created they just popped up and boom you have a group of robot who can combine with one another. . . towards the end of season one you could tell the art was getting better but the plots and story where rushed as hell as an adult left me thinking "what the fuck just happened"
i'm all for that i mean take all the old scripts just proof read the shit out of them stretch it out a bit add more back story to it and make it a solid story line. even though i have not watch gundam i have seen clips and wouldn't mind that team taking care of the art, as far as script revision it would have to be a hell of a cast of talented folk to take the old G1 script and turn it into a masterpiece, lets face it. . . its "good" and all but i mean as an older person beyond the 5-7 year frame it just makes the hairs stand up on ya arms lmao but makes you laugh because its cheesy yet entertaining with a bit of pain
An interesting project to undertake would be to rewrite an episode, or write an original episode, and then edit together pieces of the G1 cartoon to use as animation (pick animation that isn't full of errors or of poor quality). Those comedy revoiced edits (Dr Smoov?) are pretty good so I'd like to see it applied to a more serious attempt at storytelling. It's not a full-on redo or a traditional clips show but it would be a start to see if the old animation could support new material written with modern storytelling skills. It's not really that short. Add in all the UK stuff (including the annuals) and various GI Joe crossovers and what-not and it would probably take just as long to read as to watch all the G1 cartoons.
The Dragonball manga started around the same time as TF, and the anime adaptation about 2 years later, but the DBZ anime was only aired about 5 years after G1 started, and DBGT aired more than a decade later. And I could go into criticism of those shows as well. The reason they haven't remade or "updated" G1 is because they haven't had to. In a way, every TF show has been a remake of G1, they've just always taken things in a new direction so as to keep the brand fresh for kids, and to better form a foundation to market their products/gimmicks on. And even then, there have been numerous comic reboots of the G1 universe, as well as the classics line, which was essentially an update of the original characters.
I kind of liked "A Decepticon Raider In King Arthur's Court". Cheesy, sure, but why not? It was as much fun to watch as any of the other episodes like "Child's Play" and "The Golden Lagoon".
I wouldn't mind a continuation of the plotline (such as finding out what happened in the 20 years before the 1986 movie). But as far as I'm concerned the only thing they should actually remake (if anything) is the 3rd season, lol. But remakes in general just don't have good track records. You hear buzz words like "more modern" and "better technology" but the writing always gets the least amount of attention. And I personally don't think cartoons (in general) these days are any darker than 30 years ago. If anything they've gotten more juvenile. Characters looking brooding and intense doesn't automatically equal dark or deep.
I don't think G1 was awful. I've seen most episodes as an adult, as I found out that most episodes were not shown in my country, only a selection and in random order having episodes of season 1, 2 and 3 mixed. And even the movie was not shown until 1994 (so I haven't seen it until being an adult as well) and I liked the show very much. Only the episodes of season 1 and 2 were somehow bad compared to season 3, I can understand why they left so many episodes out.
Season 3 gives the initial impression of being darker but if you read the dialogue it's often even more cheesy than the first two seasons but with little of the same cleverness. You see a show in decline in Season 3. So if they wanted to remake that I have no problem. That would be interesting.
