G1 Constructicons

Discussion in 'Transformers General Discussion' started by Wheeljack30, Oct 28, 2012.

  1. Wheeljack30

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    I am a bit confused I read on Tfwiki, but still I got some things I don't understand about them, how can they be rebuilt by Megatron on Earth when we see them already with their alt modes in the episode "The Secret Of Omega Supreme" ? Before they were reprogrammed by Megatron's Robosmasher they still got the Decepticon logo on them but they were nice and friendly. I don't know if you guys noticed as well, but I saw 8 Constructicons on Tfwiki usually their 5, what happened to the rest of them?

    Thanks
     
  2. Bountyan

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    Giant ass continuity error.
     
  3. Nevermore

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    Welcome to 1993. ;) 

    All snarkiness aside, as Bountyan said, this is one of the most infamous inconsistencies in the G1 cartoon. Fans have repeatedly attempted to reconcile the information as given in "Heavy Metal War", "The Secret of Omega Supreme" and "Five Faces of Darkness, Part 4", some even going so far as claiming that there are no inconsistencies and everything makes perfect sense (as long as one adheres to those fans' interpretations which are not backed up by official canon, mind you), but as far as the show goes, we have:

    1) Millions of years ago, eight (!) robots colored like the Constructicons built Megatron.

    2) Some time later (but still more than four million years ago), the Constructicons were Autobots who got turned into Decepticons by Megatron.

    3) In 1984, Megatron implies that the Decepticons built the Constructicons on Earth.

    Fan interpretations range from "Megatron doesn't literally mean they 'built' them, but merely rebuilt them into their Earth forms" to "The robots who built Megatron in FFOD weren't actually the Constructicons" to "Megatron was built by time-travelling Constructicons". None of this is backed up by the show, however, and simply going by the facts, we have three episodes giving contradictory information.

    Together with "Which colors are Frenzy and Rumble?" and "Which Decepticons were turned into Cyclonus, Scourge and the Sweeps, and what about Cyclonus's Armada?", the "origin" of the Constructicons is one of the most infamous problems of the G1 cartoon that have been discussed since the beginnings of the fandom, and every once in a while, someone will start another thread on the topic, sometimes genuinely believing to be the first person to bring up the issue.
     
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    Simple G1 animation error. Add in producers wanted kids to know who was in the scene & didn't want to spend $$ coming up with new designs or charactes when there was already engineers associated with Megatron.

    I figured the Contructicons didn't make Megatron as an evil robot. He turned evil later & used the robo-smasher to turn the Contructicons evil. Then rebuilt thier bodies on Earth. Figure they were in the Nemisis 4 million years ago and like the Insecticons, got off in an escape pod. It crashed & Megatron found it before Heavy Metal War.
     
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    Actually usually there are 6......
     
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    The Japanese already officially solved these questions, but some or most fans will never be satisfy with the answers, and would prefer their own little canon.

    In the Japanese canon and all Generation 1 toy releases, Frenzy is always blue, and Rumble is always red.

    In the Transformers United e-HOBBY Decepticons set, Scourge is said to be Thundercracker and Cyclonus is said to be Skywarp.

    But like I said, some fans will never be satisfied, even with official answers.
     
  7. Nevermore

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    Official after-the-fact answers are not the same thing as "information given within the context of the show". IDW could retcon G1 Bumblebee as having been a time-travelling Decepticon from the future all along in an upcoming comic set firmly in the cartoon universe. It would still not make cartoon Bumblebee a Decepticon in disguise.

    There's a difference between "canon within the original source material" and "additional information provided by supplementary material". Same way the Decepticon tank in the 2007 movie is named "Devastator" on-screen, even though all his toys call him "Brawl" and ROTF has a different "Devastator" character. It doesn't change what's in the actual movie.

    In the G1 cartoon, Rumble is blue and Frenzy is red. One million toys, comic appearances and Japanese dubs won't change that. Same way the Autobot plane guy is named "Skyfire", even though he's based on the Jetfire toy and the Marvel comic calls him "Jetfire".

    It's simply something that can never be sufficiently "fixed". Some people prefer the cartoon colors of Frenzy and Rumble. Some prefer the toy colors. There is no ultimate be-all, ends-all answer that makes everything that doesn't fit magically go away.

    The Constructicons' origins are contradictory based solely on information given within the show itself. Everything else is a retcon.

    You either take an objective viewpoint (like I'm doing), notice the contradictions, think of the reasons and just accept it that way, or you insist on a subjective viewpoint, pick your preferred version and accept it as the one and only truth for yourself. It's only when people want to convince others of their position to be "true" and everything else to be "false" that the next 100-page debate ensues.
     
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    That is the most rational explanation of canon truth I've seen here.

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    But obviously, you fool, you didn't realize that the new e-Hobby comic release reveals Megatron was built by 8 Constructicons including the Auto-Rollers!

    ...Hauler was in the bathroom.
     
  9. NeverDoubt

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    Honestly when something's so obviously an animation or continuity error, I don't take it too seriously as far as canon goes.
     
  10. ErbFan28

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    Haha. One of the many reasons why the G1 cartoon is terrible
     
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    Some of the best TV shows and movies in history had their share of mistakes. Casablanca has a ton of plot holes, lol, still a good movie. You can have continuity mistakes and still be a well crafted story.
     
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    I like the idea that the Constructicons built Megatron then he proceeded to have the Constructicons turn against Omega Supreme were slagged and then Megatron had them rebuilt on Earth.
     
  13. NeverDoubt

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    That would be an excellent use of irony.
     
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    It all comes full circle.
     
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    Why should fans outside the Japanese markets take what they say as canon when Hasbro has already said the opposite in some cases.??

    The Hasbro approved bot con comics stated that the Cyclonus clone "Armada" was originally Skywarp.