For sell new toys. which is also the reason behind Prime and Bee redesign for sell new toys.

Watch a good movie?. similary when i went to see the first film which was the first time i saw Transformers, i was not for the robots, but for watch a good movie. (Heck, i am not even interested in watching the other media in where the TFs are the focus, like i am not interested in checking the cartoons, i am not interested in reading the comics, including the acclaimed IDW stuff, the only expections in where i am indeed interested in the stuff where TF's are the focus are the Video games (but i am not soooo fanboy over the games, i am not one of the fans that get excited for lets say WFC for example), IDW Movie Comics and the Movie Novels)

even when they begin work a new tf film, i am not among the fans wondering or hoping a certain character appears in the movie (i only non Prime/Bee/Megs/Scream/Soundwave tfs i wanted to see already appeared, Arcee, Constructicons and Shockwave) when a new vehicle shows up i am not among the fans wondering who he is (some cases i am, but most cases no), when they announce a new character, i am just "okay" unless the character is a big key character in the TF mytho like lets say Unicron. the only robots i am here to see are Optimus, Bumblebee, Megatron, Starscream and Soundwave (with the last 3 being dead, it only leaves Prime and Bee), dont care much for the others characters. i am also not one of the fans who wants lot of Cons focus, dont mind who gets focus, if its humans or tfs or whatever, i dont care who gets the focus it never bugs me

heck even if in Jurassic Park lets say there was only 1 second of Dinosaurus screentime, and all was just with the humans, i would not mind either. if Avengers was just all SHIELD, i would not mind either.

 

You can't have the avengers with just shield. That would be something like "agent's of shield"  

 

I always dubbed the films (despite enjoying them) 'Sam Witwicky and robot FRIEND' If it was human/transformers bonding scenes allowing us to see the human aspects of the transformers then heck yeah I'm all for it but just plain human scenes with more humans and no robots is hella boring and cliché at times.

Shia's constant 'nonononononono!' was really annoying and the lack of female characters actually talking with the transformers was disappointing. Mikeala and Carly what was their relationship with he Autobots besides 'my boyfriend is friends with them'. Only Sam really had full conversations with the Autobots you can't tell me they've been there this whole time and only bonding with ONE human kid.

Sam's character was whiny and annoying, ROTF he complained about wanting a normal life while in DOTM he wanted to be fighting with the Autobots...?

I think one of my favorite scenes is from the 2007 film where the bots are in Sam's backyard wrecking everything up because we actually get to see them talking with each other and it was seriously entertaining. If they are worried the Transformers can't carry a bunch of scenes by themselves they are wrong, they have personality they just need to the time the human cast gets to shine.

 

^all of this.

 

yup lol

 

I agree with all of this.

 

Wow, some of you truly miss the entire point of the Transformers films. They are NOT about humans. If that's all you want in a movie, then go watch the Marvel movies. The Transformers films are about.......wait for it........wait for it......GIANT ALIEN ROBOTS AND THEIR ONGOING WAR. I don't want humans as the central focus of a Transformers film. I did like N.E.S.T.. The Transformers played well off them.

 

Transformers characters don't need extensive dialogue.

Hamlet this is not.



A Transformer simply needs to be characterized by his ACTIONS onscreen ;
- the way he fights & transforms in a scene.
- the way his actions - destructive or constructive - directly affect native life on earth.
- think about what typifies the altmode of a land, air or aquatic Transformer warrier, and have that reflect in his onscreen actions

If Bay would put some more thought into that, the action would actually get better in terms of quality & distinguished variety.

 

I just want to see some more of the Transformers but with decent development.

 

You want to watch a good movie? Then WHY the Transformers movies? Even among many of the movie fans a lot can agree they're nothing more than mindless popcorn flicks.
Watch the Godfather, or Who Framed Roger Rabbit.
Watch the first Star Wars, The Dark Knight, or Fight Club, if you want to watch a good movie.

But the bottom line is, speaking strictly Transformers related; you admit that you are not the target audience for the movies, since you're not all that interested in the Transformers anyway; am I right on that?
Not that that's a bad thing, I'm just trying to understand you a little bit here.

 

i love the first transformers movie. and the sequels i dont consider them bad. I LOVE THEM, Heck even ROTF is my favorite 2009 film, they were my introduction to the franchise, theres a reason they're the only continuity i am sticking too.

Only interested in the movie continuity, games (but as i said i am not toooo crazy about them, especially on the Aligned video games like WFC/FOC) and the toylines (from any continuity), not interested at the moment in the other media as i mentioned like the cartoons or its comics (unless its movie related) (theres a reason i refer to 2012-2013 as the dullest era for me tf wise as there was actually nothing for me to look really really foward tf wise due to the break Bay was taking from the tf films. and will suffer again from this in 2015-2016 as TF5 appearently comes in 2017)

but i do enjoy the franchise, thats something i should mention for avoid any potential misunderstandings. even if i am fine with the movies focusing on the humans and less on the bots, whatever or not i dont care for the other robots, expect for Optimus, Bee, Megatron, Starscream and Soundwave who i do care for, i still enjoy the franchise and be part of this fandom. (if i didnt liked the franchise i would not be here, nor collecting the toys, nor watching the sequels for the films)

 

Actually Bay said he didn't want to make anymore movies...clearly that changed.

 

Agreed.
I just spent a couple minutes thinking about it, and I really genuinely believe that if the first trilogy had been called "Sam Witwicky and the [insert plot element here]" no one unfamiliar with Transformers would question it.

No, they don't need extensive dialogue, but to be actual three-dimensional characters they need to have personalities, and their personalities need to be demonstrated. And to be specifically three-dimensional, they need to not be generic personalities like Ironhide, Megatron, Jazz, etc. had.

I don't recall the movies contradicting this. Especially not "the way he fights & transforms in a scene".

 

They simply need 2 lines instead of the single line of text they get. And this text needs to be cohesive to the way we know these characters, as we know them from their character history and bio descriptions.

The movies didn't flat-out contradict this on an individual Transformer basis ..... BUT...the movie scripts didn't allow much typifying scenario's either.

For example :

ROTF : Starscream - Jetfire : I hoped for/expected at least an aerial fight to typify their specialisms. Heck, a major lack of Breakaway or any other flight capable Autobot to characterize and punctuate what makes airborne Transformers special. Missed characterization opportunity,

DOTM : Truck Megatron : No Megatron truck versus Prime truck scenario !? Missed opportunity to portray Megatron as a character who can excel with any altmode, even beating Prime at his own truck game.

DOTM : The wreckers : I didn't even see them transform !

DOTM : Schockwave : I didn't even see him transform !

etc etc

 

Well if I'm not too much mistaken you stated early on in the thread, that you only watch the movies for the humans, and Optimus and Bumblebee, and you don't care about any of the other, or newer characters.
I supposed I just find it highly illogical that you watch these movies solely for a very specific, very small section of it.

Don't get me wrong, I actually like the movies....to a point. I'm just not blind to their crippling flaws.
I like the movies for the same reasons why I enjoy The Super Mario Bros Movie, or The Masters of the Universe movie; they're so bad, that they keep me amused. Plus their are some positive elements in all of them as well.

If you like the movies, you like the movies. Obviously you can see past all of the crap, and the stupidity put into them, and I supposed I wish I could be that wide-eyed, and innocent again to just accept them for what they are.
I bought all three dvds, I own many of the figures, so I do like this universe, (or at least I like the potential this universe could have brought us), but I supposed I'll just never understand why people LOVE them.

I do hope that you eventually branch to some of the other Transformers series in future. The Bayformers universe is just a very tiny fraction. There's some really good stuff out there.

 

You've got some good points there.

I would have loved to see Megatron and Optimus have a good fight scene in both modes.
Much like the G1 episode where Motormaster and Optimus faced off.
Megatron was so poorly used in all three movies.  

 

As I stated once before, Megatron lacked in the movies. He didn't even have that much character. He didn't even do that much fighting, the most fighting he did was with Optimus at the end of TF'07, He also got his ass whooped by Prime in both fight scenes in ROTF. In DOTM he was nothing more than a background character.

 

I agree. A truck battle would have been awesome!

Well, now at least there is a scene with Galvatron and OP in truck mode!  

 

True. I just hope Galvatron is given a better treatment than his predecessor.

 

He loses that battle lol   But, so does OP.