Seriously, it's not THAT debate. If you wanna debate the whole FIRRIB/FIBRIR thing there are plenty of threads to do so. The question I'm asking is, has your opinion ever changed? And I'll extend that to any topic, not just this one, but I chose the thread title because that is the debate that lead to me thinking about this and asking this question. So a little more context. Back in the glory days of the 80's when I was a kid playing with the G1 toys, reading the comics and watching the cartoon, I was hardcore in the FIBRIR camp. Every time I watched the cartoon my brain would automatically swap "Frenzy" when ever they said "Rumble". The toys said the blue one was Frenzy as did the comic and all promotional materials put out by Hasbro and clearly this was yet another example of the cartoon animators getting things wrong. Clearly lol. Now in my later years I have to concede that if I am going to be intellectually honest about this that the cartoon version of Rumble is blue. It's consistent and they never stray from that, even calling the red and black one Frenzy for that one episode that he shows up in season two. So the answer to that at the end of the day is "whatever is on the box". But here's my conundrum: I recently got the MP Soundwave with all the cassettes. The box identifies the blue one as "Frenzy". But with the piledriver accessories it is clearly meant to evoke the cartoon model and intended to be the toy version of that character. In spite of my opinion when I was younger, I look at the toy now with those on and think "Rumble". So the question is have you ever found your opinions on something changing the way that I have? And with this situation in particular do you think it would intellectually dishonest to still think of it as Rumble even if the box says Frenzy?